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Aluminium tube mast.

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  • 17 Sep 2026 23:05
    Reply # 13702190 on 13689161

    Yes David. My first boat, 'Miss Molly', had a, by PJR standards, very much undersized grown mast. It had large shakes in it; it flexed quite a bit. We sailed around the Canadian Gulf Islands, down to Puget Sound, out of the Strait of Juan de Fuca and into the Pacific. Down that treacherous coast of Washington State, and Oregon and California and on to Mexico, with some 8 months in the Sea of Cortez. It did the job.

    These things can be overthought.

  • 17 Sep 2026 20:52
    Reply # 13701973 on 13689161

    Back in the 19thC, there were many thousands of fishing boats around the coasts, both large and small, with unstayed masts. Their builders didn't have AI, or even a slide rule. These boats had to earn a living, so they didn't want to spend more on them than was absolutely necessary. To get their masts, they went to the forest and cut a suitable tree.

    More than half a century ago, I got my first boat that was larger than a racing dinghy, and needed an unstayed mast. I went to the owner of some nearby woods, and said "pretty please, may I select a suitable small tree , fell it and make a mast from it?" I found a cypress of the right girth and height, and did just that, getting my mast at the cost of some linseed oil and some sweat.

    There are plenty of similar examples. Erik the Red comes to mind -  the masts were made from two douglas firs at £5 the pair. 

    This has been, and probably always will be, the way a penniless JR sailor gets hold of a mast at the lowest cost, with PJR to guide the design process.

    With a little more investment in materials, time and skill, Tapatya and Badger (for example) have very fine solid timber masts glued up from smaller pieces. If making a timber plug to go inside and support a thin walled tube is feasible, then so is making a solid timber mast.

  • 17 Sep 2026 13:30
    Reply # 13701119 on 13699128

    I think that's a bit harsh Tony. 


    Yes, it was harsh, Andrew and I apologise for that, but it seems to me that you've been asking questions here about mast building for well over a year now. I certainly remember posting links to my mast build for you a long time ago.

    And the thing is, as others have recently said in your other threads about mast building questions, we don't really know the loads that a mast might have to withstand. There are good documents here (as you know and has been pointed out to you) that calculate mast requirements with significant safety factors. There's the table in Practical Junk Rig; there are opinions from very experienced junk rig sailors. At some stage, you have to make your decision and go for it. Nobody is going to tell you that your mast will withstand anything that's thrown at it, because we don't know what conditions you might meet.

    But, once more, if you want to go down the tried and tested and easiest route, look at the text on pages 128 and 129 and the tables in PJR on pages 130 and 131. Accept what some very experienced sailors have said about using those tables minus 10%. Use the mast calculator (posted earlier) to calculate the strength of the mast indicated in PJR for your requirements, then using same calculator, find the equivalent strength of whatever material you're thinking of using. This will give you some dimensions. And they will be ok.

    If it helps. I designed my masts with the PJR minus 10% method. I just glued some wood together and planed it to those dimensions. I've now sailed over 4000 nm with this boat and have never doubted the mast strength. They are splendid!


  • 16 Sep 2026 18:12
    Reply # 13699128 on 13689409
     However, if your CAD work is drawing pretty pictures on a computer...
    I think that's a bit harsh Tony. It's quite a big step from basic bending moments in a parallel beam to calculating load transfers between overlapping sections of different diameters. And no, I don't draw pretty pictures on a computer.
  • 11 Sep 2026 07:14
    Reply # 13689899 on 13689368
    Andrew wrote:
    David wrote:

    I encourage you to make your own calculations and decision, Andrew. That's why I wrote this out, some years ago:

    https://junkrigassociation.org/junkfaqs_masts

    The section on aluminium tubes is still valid.

    Thank you David. I will study it, I know you've done a lot of work on stepped tubular masts so its good information. 
    Also, Arne's:
    Chapter 6b, The Hybrid Mast (ver. 20180917A)http://goo.gl/WE36w3
  • 10 Sep 2026 22:46
    Reply # 13689409 on 13689365
    I do a lot of CAD work.


    Then I assume you know that one of the essential elements of design work is a knowledge of material properties. And if you do a lot of computer aided design work, you're perfectly capable of designing a mast, given the info that's freely available. However, if your CAD work is drawing pretty pictures on a computer...
  • 10 Sep 2026 22:16
    Reply # 13689377 on 13689161

    I'm pretty sure I've posted this before, but this calculator is worth its weight in gold!

    https://jrcalc.oscarfroberg.com/

  • 10 Sep 2026 22:09
    Reply # 13689368 on 13689358
    Anonymous wrote:

    I encourage you to make your own calculations and decision, Andrew. That's why I wrote this out, some years ago:

    https://junkrigassociation.org/junkfaqs_masts

    The section on aluminium tubes is still valid.

    Thank you David. I will study it, I know you've done a lot of work on stepped tubular masts so its good information. 
  • 10 Sep 2026 22:08
    Reply # 13689365 on 13689355
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Is this likely to be strong enough for a 10m mast on my Sabre 27? Thanks.

    It looks hopeful. Who drew the plan? it certainly looks like somebody who had an idea about what they're doing. Or did you draw it yourself?

    Hi Tony, I drew it myself. I do a lot of CAD work.


  • 10 Sep 2026 22:05
    Reply # 13689358 on 13689161

    I encourage you to make your own calculations and decision, Andrew. That's why I wrote this out, some years ago:

    https://junkrigassociation.org/junkfaqs_masts

    The section on aluminium tubes is still valid.

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