Converting a Bandholm 26

  • 03 Aug 2025 16:58
    Reply # 13527780 on 13526822
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Bonsoir

    So sorry to learn that, Arne.

    Take care.

    Eric

  • 03 Aug 2025 09:25
    Reply # 13527739 on 13526822
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Thanks David, but I fear that I will only be an armchair admiral from now on.

    As for Andi's boat, my guess is  that it will work fine with the CE in the same position as on the present rig. The keel of that boat looks similar to that on my Ingeborg. These keelshapes generally call for higher amount of lead than boats with finkeels.

    Good luck!

    Arne

    Last modified: 03 Aug 2025 11:03 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 03 Aug 2025 08:30
    Reply # 13527737 on 13526822

    Sorry to hear that, Arne - I hope you can get back on your feet and out of there soon!

    Andi, in Arne's absence, I had better just confirm what Graeme says: if you can find the CE of your current rig, and it's satisfactory for helm balance, then you can safely put the CE of the JR in the same fore and aft position. The PJR recommendation really only applies to the flat sails that they were using way back then. The cambered sails that we use these days work pretty much like the cambered sails of any other types of rig. Also, it's safe to say that the actual centre of pressure on the underwater body migrates quite a bit fore and aft on your long keeled hull, in different sailing conditions, so it's somewhat of a dark art to decide where the sail CE should be placed. Most JR sail types are happy to be shifted fore and aft across the mast to a certain extent, so you have some scope for fine tuning the helm balance.  

    Last modified: 03 Aug 2025 10:31 | Anonymous member
  • 02 Aug 2025 12:33
    Reply # 13527528 on 13526822
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Andi,

    It will be quite while before I get back to my dear computer and its CAD program.

    On Wednesday  I broke BOTH legs, a personal record even for me (Glasbein...).

    Luckily, the hospital is great, the personnel is competent and sweet  -  and the food is good (..heck, I must break my legs more often...)

    Graeme is way too modest. Don't be afraid to ask him.

    Good luck!

    Arne

    (..from my phone...)


    Last modified: 02 Aug 2025 19:46 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 02 Aug 2025 11:58
    Reply # 13527527 on 13526822
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Welcome to the JRA Andi.

    I am not an expert. I think if you can wait a little while you will probably get a better answer than I can offer.


    Drawings based on photographs are problematic.


    Assuming your boat was satisfactorily balanced on the helm with the original rig, then I see no reason why you need to go back to first principles in designing your new rig. By this I mean, no need for trying to make a hull profile or to calculate CLR.

    Assuming you want a single sail rig, here is what I would do. You have the sails, so you can measure them. You have an existing mast position. You should then be able to make an accurate drawing of the old sail plan. Calculate it's geometric centre (CoE).

    The new junk sail needs to be placed on your drawing so that its geometric centre is on the same vertical line as the old geomtric centre.

    In deciding where to place the mast, you will need to have a junk sail planform in mind, with an appropriate mast-balance and yard angle.

    The best advice I can give is to wait until one of the more expert members can chime in. In the meantime, go to the Members' Area of the website and navigate to "Technical articles". Members'Area/Documents/Technical Articles.  Select "Arne's Files" and read the first four chapters.


    Arne has a suite of sail plans with a range of mast balance ratios and aspect rartios with suitably matched planforms. That should give you something to keep busy with for a while.

    I am not sure if Arne is able to go on line just at this time,  but I think that when he can, he will give you further assistance [it may be a couple of weeks].




    Last modified: 02 Aug 2025 12:36 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 31 Jul 2025 18:15
    Message # 13526822

    Hello,

    My name is Andi, and I'm new to the JRA.
    I've liked the idea of a junk rig for a while, and when I discovered that my 60-year-old wooden mast needed restoration, I decided to build one for my Bandholm 26.
    I started out with the book Practical Junk Rig, but now I have some questions that the book can't answer. I hope some of you can help.

    First of all, there’s no accurate drawing of this boat. The only one I found is the one I marked with “1”. I don’t really trust this drawing, because the data that comes with it says the LWL is 6.6 m, while the measurements I took on my boat show 7.2 m.

    Since I don’t have any pictures of my boat with the original standing rig, I had to find a workaround.

    I took a photo from about 50 m away (the last one), made my own drawing (pic no. 0), and added the dimensions I measured directly from the boat.

    I found the CLR using CAD and the "paper balancing" method – both matched within 2 cm.

    According to the book, the CE needs to be 5–9% forward of the CLR.

    I did some eyeballing using photos I found, combined with the drawing I made.
    I worked in CAD, so I could bring everything together (see no. 0).

    For CE no. 4, I measured my sails and fit them to the drawing and to photo no. 4.
    I think the CE may need to be slightly higher, as I used the boom in the photo as a reference – but it seems to be pulled down in that picture.

    As you can see, all the eyeballed CEs are way outside the 5–9% range.

    So… did I make some mistake, or do you think I can still work within this CE range to find a suitable sail?

    Has anyone here had experience finding the CE this way?

    Would be great to hear your thoughts!

    Andi



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