Terminology

  • 18 Dec 2024 01:57
    Reply # 13442038 on 13441859

    Graeme, the second images is Plate #38 from Worcester Junks and Sampans of the Yangtze.

    Yes, the rig has evolved, both in Asian countries and when it was matched with Western hulls. That's typical for good ideas when needs and materials change. And since it is a relatively rare and specialized idea, its evolution has been driven by just a few individuals who have chosen to invest their time and resources and have generously shared their results.

    Tom Colvin was one of those individuals who unfortunately died somewhat bitter due to the lack of acceptance of his efforts. I was fortunate to have sailed on one of his designs which changed my way of looking at rigs. He was the last bridge to older times having served on commercial sailing ships. His self-published book "Sailmaking" is a valuable resource for sailmaking and rigging and tuning a boat and it is a window into how things were done by sailing ship pros. I feel fortunate to have an autographed copy that I bought from Tom in 2005.

  • 17 Dec 2024 22:50
    Reply # 13441997 on 13441859
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    John wrote: The closest term that I know of that fits is batten.

    Yes, I think I have to accept that. The clincher for me is that the term "batten" has been used for these spars since the late 1800s, as we know now thanks to the material you have referred us to. As Annie also points out, it's the accepted terminology within the junk rig world. I think I will continue to use the term "boomlet" on the odd occasion when it is convenient to emphasise their special function which is unique to the Chinese lug sail. The terms "yard" and "boom" need no discussion, of course.

    Thanks also for your valuable links to the early junk rig derivatives in your other post: "Junk rig design and construction for trailerable boats and dinghies". You have probably seen Kevin Cardiff's article in the JRA Magazine #95 (July 2024) entitled "The Earliest Known Junks in the UK and Ireland" and it is possible there will be more following in the next issue of the magazine.

    I personally think we have developed some improvements to these early rigs, but all developments owe something to what went before - and sometimes good ideas can be forgotten - we can always learn from history.

    I stand by my definition of "Junk rig" as: "To be a correctly classified as a Chinese lug it must reef and hand in the unique Chinese way, and to do that there must be some form of the three basic elements: boomlets, sheetlet spans and lifts." as being the the most useful  in today's world of sailing rig design, but I am sure it can be improved upon.

    However, your approach, based on the early form of construction of the sail must also have merit, and resonates somewhat with Arne's approach to making a modern junk sail.

    Terminology serves best as a communication tool, rather than as a subject of debate.

    Thanks again for the interesting links and some fresh thinking.

    PS what is the source for the second of your two attached images? (The first is obviously Worcester - the second?)

    Here is an interesting one, a net fishing boat from 中国海洋渔船图集  China Offshore Fishing Atlas

    Last modified: 18 Dec 2024 05:37 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 17 Dec 2024 18:52
    Message # 13441859

    Yard, batten, boomlet, or? A yard is a spar that a sail is hung from. Mat sails, which all junks originally had, were not strong enough to support much of the actual weight of the sail. So the unique solution was to hang the mat sail from a ladder framework of spars and bolt ropes so the weight of the sail was incrementally supported by the yards and boltropes. The photo of the junk with the tattered sail clearly shows this framework supporting the remnants of a mat sail. So the uppermost yard would be called the main yard if the sail was attached to the main mast. The lowest yard would be called a crossjack yard because it supported no sail but was sheeted. The others, who knows - I wish someone had recorded their Chinese names. Call them yardlets? When 11-inch wide weak cotton sail was available and adapted to sea going junks the seams were still made horizontal, mostly, and that weak sail cloth still couldn't support the full weight of the sail so yardlets were still used to take the weight of the sail. With modern high strength sail cloth the seams are run vertically and the yardlets don't carry the weight of the sail but are attached to it. So the yardlets no longer function as true yards. The closest term that I know of that fits is batten. Only model ship builders still use the term crossjack yard. The lowest yard is not a true boom but it does fulfill some of the functions of a boom so I guess it is a boomlet?

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