Converting Corribee/Coromandel to junk rig -- technical discussion

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  • 10 Mar 2025 17:14
    Reply # 13472920 on 13421143

    Hi again.  I hope it's OK to keep checking in for advice along the way.  I am now working on the mast step and partners.  The mast will pass through the old forehatch aperture, which, once I'd marked a centreline on the deck' I found was not in the middle but 2 cm to starboard!  I have ground all around the area back to the matting and fashioned this 'plug' which is a total of 4 layers of 18mm marine ply.  I plan to glass this in outside and inside with 2 layers of biaxial cloth.  One question I have is will that be enough or should I put some stiffeners across from side to side inside the cabin roof to add more strength?

    For the mast step I have removed the floor of the locker and then fashioned to layers of ply to lie one on top of the other which I will again glass in to the hull.  The bottom layer will have a hole to drain any water into the bilges and then I have a 1.5m tube of aluminium which I will epoxy into this arrangement the mast will drop into that.

    Does my design seem strong enough or do people think a bit more bracing of the hull and deck is needed around these 2 structures?

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  • 01 Mar 2025 00:50
    Reply # 13469251 on 13469036
    Jes wrote: Yes i am. I plan to make a cover.   After sewing the sail itself  making the cover  should be a breeze .  So far a lot of my sailing has been in Scotland so sun won't be a big problem!  I was looking for a lighter cloth to make the sail with but a lot of them seem to have a waterproof or anti UV coating  on one side and not the other and it seems strange to me to have a sail like that though reading through the forums i think others have used such cloth without a problem. 
    The only fabric I know to have had a lot of issues due to only being coated on one side, was Odyssey III. Alas, many of us found out the hard way that it didn't stand up very well to the UV.
  • 28 Feb 2025 15:45
    Reply # 13469036 on 13467720
    Anonymous wrote:

    That's looking very nice, Jes.  Are you using white, polyester sail cloth?  If so, I assume you realise that you will have to make a sail cover ...

    Yes i am. I plan to make a cover.   After sewing the sail itself  making the cover  should be a breeze .  So far a lot of my sailing has been in Scotland so sun won't be a big problem!  I was looking for a lighter cloth to make the sail with but a lot of them seem to have a waterproof or anti UV coating  on one side and not the other and it seems strange to me to have a sail like that though reading through the forums i think others have used such cloth without a problem. 
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  • 26 Feb 2025 00:04
    Reply # 13467720 on 13421143

    That's looking very nice, Jes.  Are you using white, polyester sail cloth?  If so, I assume you realise that you will have to make a sail cover ...

  • 08 Feb 2025 18:29
    Reply # 13460723 on 13455829
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    The one part of the sewing I don't understand yet though it may become clear is how the lengths of the panels matches up, eg between panel 1 and 2 where the round on panel 1 is half that of panel 2.  Surely that makes the  length of the seam different on the 2 edges?  Any clues as to how this works, maybe the difference isn't that significant, thanks.

    I'd give the panels an inch or two of extra length. Irregularities to be trimmed off later.
    Sail coming on nicely now, panels 1-3 joined and  managed to trim the luff seam to get a nice straight edge, thanks for the advice on that one.  Lower panels also joined plus webbing and small webbing loops added to head and foot.  Waiting for delivery of more thread!  Pleased with my Singer 237 machine, it is coping with the thickness  of material very well. I've made a seam guide to try and improve on the straightness of my seams. 
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  • 28 Jan 2025 21:21
    Reply # 13456128 on 13456088
    Anonymous wrote:

    Jes,

    I had hoped that chapter 4 and 5 should explain it for you, so I suggest you have another look.

    • ·         The paper patterns should be lofted and cut to net size of each panel, including the barrel round.
    • ·         The panels are given an extra 20mm stripe around the pattern. At luff and leech, these are used for putting on a simple hem. 
    • Note: This hem at luff and leech is put on before one starts sewing together the panels at the battens.
    • ·         The edges of the two top panels match each other quite well since the barrel curves are quite flat there. My method is to first staple the sails together at luff and leech (B is constant). Then I staple at the middle of the curve, etc. until the staples sit with 20-40cm distance. Remember, this is canvas, not steel plates, so millimetre accuracy is not needed.
    • ·         The biggest difference in edge length along the curves is between panel 3 and 4 (from top). Here I often use a little trick; I cut the upper edge with less round and the lower edge with more round, so that the curves match better the adjacent panels (See chapter 4, Fig 4.2 on p.2).

    Good luck
    Arne


    Thanks Arne, don't worry,I have read the chaptres probably 4 or 5 times and followed all of these points in making my templates including putting different amount of round on the top and bottom of panel 3. I have even bought a stapler.  Your trick of stapling luff and leach and then the middle and continue halving the gaps is helpful. Forgive my perfectionism!  All will be well.
  • 28 Jan 2025 20:02
    Reply # 13456088 on 13421143
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jes,

    I had hoped that chapter 4 and 5 should explain it for you, so I suggest you have another look.

    • ·         The paper patterns should be lofted and cut to net size of each panel, including the barrel round.
    • ·         The panels are given an extra 20mm stripe around the pattern. At luff and leech, these are used for putting on a simple hem. 
    • Note: This hem at luff and leech is put on before one starts sewing together the panels at the battens.
    • ·         The edges of the two top panels match each other quite well since the barrel curves are quite flat there. My method is to first staple the panels together at luff and leech (B is constant). Then I staple at the middle of the curve, etc. until the staples sit with 20-40cm distance. Remember, this is canvas, not steel plates, so millimetre accuracy is not needed.
    • ·         The biggest difference in edge length along the curves is between panel 3 and 4 (from top). Here I often use a little trick; I cut the upper edge with less round and the lower edge with more round, so that the curves match better the adjacent panels (See chapter 4, Fig 4.2 on p.2).

    Good luck
    Arne


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  • 28 Jan 2025 11:53
    Reply # 13455829 on 13455823
    Anonymous wrote:

    The one part of the sewing I don't understand yet though it may become clear is how the lengths of the panels matches up, eg between panel 1 and 2 where the round on panel 1 is half that of panel 2.  Surely that makes the  length of the seam different on the 2 edges?  Any clues as to how this works, maybe the difference isn't that significant, thanks.

    I'd give the panels an inch or two of extra length. Irregularities to be trimmed off later.
  • 28 Jan 2025 11:21
    Reply # 13455823 on 13421143

    Whilst waiting for my mast and aluminium for spars to arrive I thought I'd get going with the sail.  I've made a lofting/sewing table 3.6 X 1.5m in my garage and have started making the panel templates.  One of the satisfying aspects of working on boats is the curves you create, and I enjoyed marking out the barrel curves!  I've ordered sail cloth from englishseadog which should arrive this week. It's good to be making progress

    The one part of the sewing I don't understand yet though it may become clear is how the lengths of the panels matches up, eg between panel 1 and 2 where the round on panel 1 is half that of panel 2.  Surely that makes the  length of the seam different on the 2 edges?  Any clues as to how this works, maybe the difference isn't that significant, thanks.

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  • 15 Jan 2025 20:49
    Reply # 13450769 on 13421143
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jes,
    When I drew up that JR, I aimed on getting its CE in the same fore-aft position as with the Bermudan rig.  This appears to result in 18% lead. However, one can easily shift the sail aft as much as 175mm, resulting in the Lead dropping to about 14%. My armchair guess is that the best position is where I have drawn it, or within 10 cm aft of it. The halyard will work well with that.

    I have drawn that sail with  generous clearance between boom and deck. It is probably possible to lower the boom around 100 mm and thus increase the halyard drift. This gives more freedom to shift the sail aft without ending up with a halyard angle above 15°.

    Anyway, if the mast position is right with respect to the boat’s interior, then that is how I would have done it.

    Good luck!
    Arne


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