Converting Corribee/Coromandel to junk rig -- technical discussion

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  • 06 Dec 2024 09:23
    Reply # 13438268 on 13421143

    It's a very old tergal sailcloth from the sixties or seventies, "Cordon noir", 150g/m².

    A friend kept a entire roll of this sailcloth in his placard during fifty years before giving it to me for my junk rig. He told me "Ça ne marchera pas ton truc, mais j'ai hâte de voir ça !*" Sadly he passed away before Circé was ready.


    * It won't work but I can't wait to see this !

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  • 05 Dec 2024 22:03
    Reply # 13438134 on 13438104
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    What about having a closed pocket at the luff and just tensioning at the leech, or vice versa?  Is it better to make plugs for the batten ends or just use ring bolts or similar to tie into?

    I have these closed pockets at the leech of my sail, to prevent the battens to catch the sheetlets. They are closed  with webbing, and I have used wooden plugs at each end of the aluminium battens. At the luff I have webbings with velcro to tension the sail. So far I'm pleased with that system.
    Thanks, that's interesting. What sailcloth did you use for your sail?
  • 05 Dec 2024 21:01
    Reply # 13438104 on 13437735
    Anonymous wrote:

    What about having a closed pocket at the luff and just tensioning at the leech, or vice versa?  Is it better to make plugs for the batten ends or just use ring bolts or similar to tie into?

    I have these closed pockets at the leech of my sail, to prevent the battens to catch the sheetlets. They are closed  with webbing, and I have used wooden plugs at each end of the aluminium battens. At the luff I have webbings with velcro to tension the sail. So far I'm pleased with that system.
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  • 04 Dec 2024 22:36
    Reply # 13437735 on 13421143

    With the mast ordered I have started to look at yard, battens and boom. I am planning to use aluminium tube, From PJR there is an example of batten size of 22mm x 3,2mm used for Pilmer which I have used as a guide. I have chosen a bigger dia tube for the yard in view of the weight it carries, and a slightly bigger dia tube for the boom so that it doesn't bend with the pull of the tackline.   I am thinking of:

    Yard      40mm x 5 or 3mm wall thickness

    Battens  22mm x  3.25mm wall thickness

    Boom     28.5 x 3.25mm wall thickness

    Do these sizes seem about right?

    I am interested to understand how the battens are tied into the sail. It seems they are often tied/tensioned at both ends. What about having a closed pocket at the luff and just tensioning at the leech, or vice versa?  Is it better to make plugs for the batten ends or just use ring bolts or similar to tie into?

    Thanks for any comments/suggestions, Jes

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  • 20 Nov 2024 19:57
    Reply # 13433092 on 13421143

    Ah very nice, Jes! That's good news, I am very happy for you :-)

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  • 20 Nov 2024 18:28
    Reply # 13433051 on 13422517
    Anonymous wrote:

    I've found this...looks like it could work.  It's 7m tall in total, 3mm wall thickness, tapered starting 2.8 m from the bottom, from 145 to 76mm dia, so would need a small extension according to Arne's sketch, which I think is 7.7m in total. I don't know how the access door would affect strength.  I could weld it to seal it and strengthen that area.

    - Jes

    Jes, it would be a pitty to buy a mast weakened by any holes. Even if welded shut, those areas will be where fatigue appears first.

    It might work for you to directly contact that supplier, and ask them if they would sell you the raw mast - of a production stage, where they did not cut any holes yet. At least, that worked out when I bought the mast for Ilvy. It was cheaper, too.

    Cheers,

    Paul

    So the exciting news is that I've managed to get the company to supply this pole with no cut outs or holes, just a plain tapered tube!  Delivery will be in the new year.  
  • 10 Nov 2024 11:54
    Reply # 13429084 on 13421143

    One of my favourite pictures of a beautiful earlier Arne junk rig sail on a Corribee conversion. Totally different mast position.

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  • 09 Nov 2024 21:57
    Reply # 13429014 on 13421842
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    The Corribee has a smallish rudder. This hi-balance JR brings its CE quite close to the JR mast, which again means that the CE will sit close to the boat’s centreline when sailing downwind. This should help the rudder to cope.

    Just an idea.

    Arne

    PS:
    It looks to me that the superstructure of the Mk 2 and 3 are very similar, so I used a Mk 3 version here.

    (Hi-res diagram in Arne's sketches, section 8, photo11)


    Bonjour

    Mingming has bildge keels and a skeg in front of a small rudder rather forward. It has a natural tendency to sail strait....

    There is not a great weather helm, the helm is very light but sailing headwind, the helm has to be pushed windward about 30°, which is enormous and I suppose that the ruddder must be almost stalled !

    It could be interesting to suppress the skeg and to move the rudder to the transom.

    It is diffucult to tack.

    Eric

  • 09 Nov 2024 20:43
    Reply # 13428998 on 13422101
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    I know that Mingming II, a larger boat, has a 200mm mast, but can't find the size of the original Mingming's mast (Eric A will know).

    Mingming mast :

    -diameter at mast head 60 mm

    -diameter at foot 100 mm

    wall thickness at foot : 3mm

    the inside tube seems to have a thickness of 1mm

    Mast lenght : 8,25m

    Partner tube outside diameter 130mm inside diameter 105mm wall thickness 10mm

    Partner's stainlesssteel  reinforcement plat parts thickness 4mm tubing diameter 25mm

    Distance from the center of the bermudian mast support to the middle of the partner 370mm.

    Mingming is a Corribee that has been changed to Junk rig. The mast is in the middle of the forward hatch. The hatch was replaced by a cover and reenforced by a heavy tubing that is fixed to the side of the coachroof. (see photo).

    Roger has a rather conservative sailing but Mingming mast survived to a full capsize (mast down and keels up) bare pool while Mingming was rolled by a rogue wave.

    Mingming mast is chambered (there is an other tube inside the mast at partner level).

    I hope it helps.

    Eric



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  • 09 Nov 2024 15:28
    Reply # 13428929 on 13421143
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    NOTE FROM WEBMASTER:  This active and useful thread was moved from Buy/Sell forum to Technical forum at the suggestion of a the original poster and another participant.  See separate new thread on Buy/Sell forum re acquiring a mast. Cheers.

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