Converting Corribee/Coromandel to junk rig -- technical discussion

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  • 20 Nov 2024 19:57
    Reply # 13433092 on 13421143

    Ah very nice, Jes! That's good news, I am very happy for you :-)

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  • 20 Nov 2024 18:28
    Reply # 13433051 on 13422517
    Anonymous wrote:

    I've found this...looks like it could work.  It's 7m tall in total, 3mm wall thickness, tapered starting 2.8 m from the bottom, from 145 to 76mm dia, so would need a small extension according to Arne's sketch, which I think is 7.7m in total. I don't know how the access door would affect strength.  I could weld it to seal it and strengthen that area.

    - Jes

    Jes, it would be a pitty to buy a mast weakened by any holes. Even if welded shut, those areas will be where fatigue appears first.

    It might work for you to directly contact that supplier, and ask them if they would sell you the raw mast - of a production stage, where they did not cut any holes yet. At least, that worked out when I bought the mast for Ilvy. It was cheaper, too.

    Cheers,

    Paul

    So the exciting news is that I've managed to get the company to supply this pole with no cut outs or holes, just a plain tapered tube!  Delivery will be in the new year.  
  • 10 Nov 2024 11:54
    Reply # 13429084 on 13421143

    One of my favourite pictures of a beautiful earlier Arne junk rig sail on a Corribee conversion. Totally different mast position.

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  • 09 Nov 2024 21:57
    Reply # 13429014 on 13421842
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    The Corribee has a smallish rudder. This hi-balance JR brings its CE quite close to the JR mast, which again means that the CE will sit close to the boat’s centreline when sailing downwind. This should help the rudder to cope.

    Just an idea.

    Arne

    PS:
    It looks to me that the superstructure of the Mk 2 and 3 are very similar, so I used a Mk 3 version here.

    (Hi-res diagram in Arne's sketches, section 8, photo11)


    Bonjour

    Mingming has bildge keels and a skeg in front of a small rudder rather forward. It has a natural tendency to sail strait....

    There is not a great weather helm, the helm is very light but sailing headwind, the helm has to be pushed windward about 30°, which is enormous and I suppose that the ruddder must be almost stalled !

    It could be interesting to suppress the skeg and to move the rudder to the transom.

    It is diffucult to tack.

    Eric

  • 09 Nov 2024 20:43
    Reply # 13428998 on 13422101
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    I know that Mingming II, a larger boat, has a 200mm mast, but can't find the size of the original Mingming's mast (Eric A will know).

    Mingming mast :

    -diameter at mast head 60 mm

    -diameter at foot 100 mm

    wall thickness at foot : 3mm

    the inside tube seems to have a thickness of 1mm

    Mast lenght : 8,25m

    Partner tube outside diameter 130mm inside diameter 105mm wall thickness 10mm

    Partner's stainlesssteel  reinforcement plat parts thickness 4mm tubing diameter 25mm

    Distance from the center of the bermudian mast support to the middle of the partner 370mm.

    Mingming is a Corribee that has been changed to Junk rig. The mast is in the middle of the forward hatch. The hatch was replaced by a cover and reenforced by a heavy tubing that is fixed to the side of the coachroof. (see photo).

    Roger has a rather conservative sailing but Mingming mast survived to a full capsize (mast down and keels up) bare pool while Mingming was rolled by a rogue wave.

    Mingming mast is chambered (there is an other tube inside the mast at partner level).

    I hope it helps.

    Eric



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  • 09 Nov 2024 15:28
    Reply # 13428929 on 13421143
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    NOTE FROM WEBMASTER:  This active and useful thread was moved from Buy/Sell forum to Technical forum at the suggestion of a the original poster and another participant.  See separate new thread on Buy/Sell forum re acquiring a mast. Cheers.

  • 23 Oct 2024 16:31
    Reply # 13422517 on 13422357

    I've found this...looks like it could work.  It's 7m tall in total, 3mm wall thickness, tapered starting 2.8 m from the bottom, from 145 to 76mm dia, so would need a small extension according to Arne's sketch, which I think is 7.7m in total. I don't know how the access door would affect strength.  I could weld it to seal it and strengthen that area.

    - Jes

    Jes, it would be a pitty to buy a mast weakened by any holes. Even if welded shut, those areas will be where fatigue appears first.

    It might work for you to directly contact that supplier, and ask them if they would sell you the raw mast - of a production stage, where they did not cut any holes yet. At least, that worked out when I bought the mast for Ilvy. It was cheaper, too.

    Cheers,

    Paul

  • 23 Oct 2024 10:17
    Reply # 13422389 on 13421143
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jes,
    if you were able to order that pole without the holes in it, it would suddenly fit perfectly. The trick is to install (glass in permanently?) an oversize lower tube first. Then, your mast can be inserted into this in a similar way as the topmast is fitted in Chapter 6b of TCPJR, except for making it removable. If fitted like in the diagram below and with its lower end raised, that 7m pole will be tall enough, and with 2-3 cm to spare.

    Arne



    (full size diagram in section 8 of Arne's sketches)

  • 23 Oct 2024 08:40
    Reply # 13422374 on 13421143

    Any holes in a tube, or anything other than an entire round tube,  is less than optimal for an unstayed mast - fatigue cracks always start and propagate here. I would only use the length above the access door. But at 145mm dia, there's a good chance that it will fit into a 6" x 10 swg (152.4 x 3.2mm) tube, using the top 4 metres as a topmast, instead of timber. 

  • 23 Oct 2024 07:05
    Reply # 13422357 on 13421143

    I've found this...looks like it could work.  It's 7m tall in total, 3mm wall thickness, tapered starting 2.8 m from the bottom, from 145 to 76mm dia, so would need a small extension according to Arne's sketch, which I think is 7.7m in total. I don't know how the access door would affect strength.  I could weld it to seal it and strengthen that area.

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