Modified Joshua Slocum Liberdade Sheeting Arrangement

  • 13 Sep 2024 21:27
    Reply # 13406544 on 13406259
    Dara wrote:

    - I am very curious as to why you have recommended an arrangement of 4 : 3 sheeted battens between the upper and lower sheets.  Perhaps my newcomer ignorance, I thought that using our upper sheet spanning the top two battens would allow more control of the sail including its twist as opposed to the upper sheet spanning 4 battens.  

    I've found that it's easy enough to get a straight leech with control of twist under full sail, but it's harder to get a good sail shape with two or more reefs. That's where the upper and lower sheets come in. Once there are one or two reefs in, the lower sheet is taken out of play, and you're sailing on the upper sheet only. In which case, if there are two anti-twist spans with the upper one linked to two parts of the sheet and the lower one linked to just one part of the sheet, it's acting like a sail with four sheeted battens,  and then you maintain better control of the twist as you reef deeply. If you have the upper sheet controlling only two battens, and the lower sheet controlling five battens, then the lower sheet remains in play for longer, and I think you get a situation with one, two or three reefs where the centre of the leech falls away, while the top and bottom of it are being pulled more strongly.

    However, I rarely got the sheeting right first time, for the full range of sailing conditions. All boats are not the same in their sheeting needs. That's why I recommend doing a temporary arrangement at first, and trying out some alternatives, before drilling holes and fastening blocks down. Looking at the 3D drawing and the old double sheeting drawing, I'd be inclined to try double upper sheets on the upper four battens, and a single central sheet on the lower three battens, four the best possible control.

    Last modified: 13 Sep 2024 21:37 | Anonymous member
  • 13 Sep 2024 12:42
    Reply # 13406259 on 13405736
    David, many thanks for your insightful response as always. Please see the 3D double sheeting arrangement (as mentioned now we want a simple single sheet system). Also forgive the tender in that image, it was taken before I was the owner. 

    It does a very good job of showing the space.

    Regarding positioning of deck blocks and other gear:

    - We have pondered whether the sheet lines should be routed to the chainplates at the davits as shown in this 3D plan but with the addition of a rope span, exactly as you mentioned. The issue is that the rope span (rather the sheets) may obstruct the lazarette, so considered a higher part of the davits. They are strong enough for the loads but something about it felt... off? just not seen sheets attached to davits all that much.  

    - An alternative is to take the deck fixings to a forward position of the lazarrette and to create a rope span or fixed horse here as alluded in the 2D pdf of the simplified plan.

    Regarding the sheeting arrangement itself:

    - Once deck gear is fixed, we can adjust as needed but as you say it is good to have a fairly decent first try. I will make a point to revisit the loading calculations to make sure we use single, 2, or 3 part sheeting systems across both masts as appropriate.

    - I am very curious as to why you have recommended an arrangement of 4 : 3 sheeted battens between the upper and lower sheets.  Perhaps my newcomer ignorance, I thought that using our upper sheet spanning the top two battens would allow more control of the sail including its twist as opposed to the upper sheet spanning 4 battens.  

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    Last modified: 13 Sep 2024 12:44 | Anonymous member
  • 12 Sep 2024 10:49
    Reply # 13405756 on 13405736

    Dara,

    It would be useful to see a photo of this deck area, to see what's possible in practical terms. Pending that, I think that you need an upper 3-part sheet controlling the upper four sheeted battens, and a lower 2-part sheet controlling the lower three sheeted battens; both lead to a single large ST winch via two clutches, or to two ST winches. There are some different possible arrangements of the sheet spans, which can be experimented with, but it would be a good start if you can get the deck block positions established. I would try fixing two single blocks for the upper sheet to the middle of a rope span between the two uprights of the davits, if they are strong enough, to improve the angle between sheet spans and mainsail leech. Making a temporary arrangement is always good, when there is doubt about what will work best, so a simple rope span tied to the davits would be the basis of my first trial attempt. The lower sheet can be to a single and becket deck block forward of the lazarette, in the position as drawn.

  • 12 Sep 2024 07:15
    Message # 13405736

    Hello Hive Mind,


    I would be grateful for some advice, After inheriting plans for a junk rig conversion we have sought to simplify from a twin masted double sheeting arrangement (3 sheets main mast, 2 sheets foremast - port and starboard - total 8 sheets) to a single sheeted arrangement. Though I expect a bit less control of the sail so far I think the simplicity outweighs that.


    To Simplify things further, we are looking at the Joshua Slocum Liberdade sheeting arrangement and have come up with a solution to take off a sheet on both the mainmast and foremast.


    I will be grateful for some constructive critique over these plans. Please see the PDF Attached.

    In the file Mainsail Simple Two Sheet Arrangement 4 battens are controlled by a single sheet. This arrangement also prevents any rope going over the lazarette as opposed to the original plans. 

    Many thanks in advance for the thoughts

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