Maximum sail size

  • 30 Aug 2024 09:58
    Reply # 13400751 on 13398670

    Graham, you have just highlighted one advantage of high balance rigs, like the SJR.

    One day we were running down the river Hamble at close to hull speed on starboard tack under full sail with a visitor who had never sailed a junk rig on the helm. He and I were standing in the cockpit chatting as we overtook all other boats under sail. After overtaking a small Bermudian boat, and not paying any attention I suddenly saw the small boat overtake us!!!

    A quick glance at the windex and wind instrument showed that we had turned the corner and were sailing 70 degrees by the lee. I pointed this out to the helmsman and watched the colour drain from his face with fright. I told him to turn to port 20 degrees, which he did, and as the wind caught the other side of the sail and it started to swing across I told him to straighten up, which he again did. As the sail swung slowly across I grabbed the slack sheet bundle and threw it over our heads and the sail softly settled on port tack and we quickly accelerated away from the small boat.

    The colour came back to the helmsman’s face when he excitedly exclaimed that he did not believe that a jibe could be so easy. With the SJR I always crash jibed without any hauling in, even in strong winds, and there was never a risk of a fan up. High balance and taught downhauls have a lot going for them.

    Cheers, Slieve.


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  • 30 Aug 2024 03:24
    Reply # 13400681 on 13398670

    Thank you kindly for your replies. I can see the "beauty" in a small ship -shape sailboat that many advocate ,and this helps clarify some design points. Greg

  • 29 Aug 2024 06:46
    Reply # 13399196 on 13398670

    I found Arion's 35 sq m sail. with a 4.6m batten length, more than big enough for a middle-aged man.  I think I could handle it into old age (I am now 72).  I agree with David Tyler that a high-aspect-ratio is the way to go if designing a large sail, which is why I asked Arne Kverneland to draw up a high-aspect ratio schooner rig for Mehitabel recently, with only a 33 sq m mainsail that has 4.3m battens, but overall sail area of 50 sq m.  The sloop rig he drew for me first had a sail area of 40 sq m, and was still a little undercanvassed for light airs.

    The big issue for me is hoisting, and I will go straight to a self-tailing halyard winch on my next junk sail, especially after hoisting the fanned panels.  I'm going to ask for an electric winch handle for my 80th birthday.  I found reefing and tacking effortless.  Gybing Arion occasionally made me breathless in strong winds, but eventually I either did a chicken gybe (tacked the boat around), or reefed beforehand.  If gybing with more than one reef in, I was careful to avoid a fan up by either using Arne Kverneland's fan up preventer, or loosely tying the leach end of the reefed battens together.  Easy Peasy, if you do it right, like all good seamanship!

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  • 28 Aug 2024 08:18
    Reply # 13398728 on 13398670
    Greg wrote:

    Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but didn't find anything after searching for a while. Is there any general consensus as to what the largest amount of junk rig sail are that can be "reasonably" single handed in most offshore situations. I MAY consider working backwards from this in choosing a boat size. It's just going to be a rough starting point but every journey must start somewhere.

    There used to be a consensus in the bermudan sailing sphere that 500 sq ft was a "reasonable" maximum for any individual sail. This is not necessarily true with junk rig, but is a good starting point for your cogitations.

    However, much depends on size, strength and fitness. I would consider myself as an average male in those terms, and have sailed a great many offshore miles. Up until the age of 70, I was able to handle a single sail of 550 sq ft on a 35ft boat, so long as it was of a user-friendly type. I think that means choosing a high aspect ratio, so that the yard and battens remain short and therefore light, and so that loads on the various hauling lines remain relatively low. Happily, this sail area happens to be about right to power what I would consider to be the maximum size of boat that a single hander needs (as opposed to wants or dreams about). A 30ft - 32ft boat of a conventional, mainstream type and of moderate displacement will be quite large enough for all offshore single handed sailing and for accommodation needs, even for a large, strong, fit young man who could in theory handle a larger sail.

    A phrase that remains relevant, even with the easier handling that a junk rig provides, is "don't be over-boated". That is, don't get carried away and get a larger boat than is strictly necessary. Small Is Beautiful, Less Is More! My SIBLIM design, at rather less than 30ft, has turned out to be quite a good fit for a smallish woman and a largish man, both of whom have a history of being able to live comfortably in a small space with minimal possessions.

  • 28 Aug 2024 02:06
    Message # 13398670

    Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere, but didn't find anything after searching for a while. Is there any general consensus as to what the largest amount of junk rig sail are that can be "reasonably" single handed in most offshore situations. I MAY consider working backwards from this in choosing a boat size. It's just going to be a rough starting point but every journey must start somewhere.

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