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Junk rig conversion of foldable rowing boat

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  • 10 Jul 2026 09:41
    Reply # 13651725 on 13651588
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    like this ?

    Eeeer, not quite.
    Spectacular view for sure, those kites  - I could hardly believe my eyes!

    Arne

  • 09 Jul 2026 21:16
    Reply # 13651588 on 13291754
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  • 09 Jul 2026 20:29
    Reply # 13651567 on 13291754
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    While we are at the subject of behaviour of a feathered JR; when I put camber in Malena’s flat sail in 1991 by fitting hinges to the battens, the sail kept behaving well as I luffed the sail. The battens themselves reminded me of long snakes, lazily swimming in the air… (see NL 24).

    Arne


  • 08 Jul 2026 20:25
    Reply # 13651192 on 13291754

    Hi Paul ! Thank you !

    Beautiful gif! Beautiful sail!  Flogging so majestically!

    Split or unsplit - junk rig rules!

    regards !

    Last modified: 08 Jul 2026 20:43 | Anonymous member
  • 08 Jul 2026 17:27
    Reply # 13651108 on 13291754

    Hi Jan,

    I made a gif today in an F4 for you, see below.

    The sail is moving, sure, but not violently and really really calm. It is not the flogging one would hear with an open leech of a bermuda rig.

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  • 07 Jul 2026 23:32
    Reply # 13650837 on 13291754

    Looking at how the toppanel behaves (on my .gif) - I started to wonder what the behavior of the sail would be like if the panels were mounted alternately - once conventional, once SJR ;-)

  • 07 Jul 2026 23:12
    Reply # 13650828 on 13291754

    Hi

    After two seasons of fluttering/flapping/flogging, the jiblet leeches on my old (origami) sail showed no signs of falling apart, even though the jiblets are made of bluetarp.So I think jiblets are still much stronger than regular staysails in a Bermuda rig.

    However, I wonder how much a jiblet affects the sail's overall performance compared to a "conventional" junk sail (with camber, of course). I see much room for research here. Furthermore, there's the whole issue of sail balance, which can significantly facilitate the transition from a Bermuda rig.

    However, I'm surprised that a "conventional" junk sail doesn't flutter/flap/flog. I hadn't realized that.

    Regards - Jan

    Last modified: 07 Jul 2026 23:13 | Anonymous member
  • 07 Jul 2026 22:02
    Reply # 13650797 on 13291754
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I think Paul is correct, although "flapping" or "flogging" are perhaps not quite the right words to use. I can't think of a word ("flutter" comes to mind, but that is something else and the subject of a different discussion) - a "tendency to flap slightly when luffing up into the wind" would be correct regarding SJR jibs, which are open-ended on the aft end of the batten.

    I regard the panels on a conventional junk sail as being closed at both ends of the batten and only the camber provides enough surplus canvas to "ripple" a little when luffing up. Same as the mains on a SJR. The SJR jibs, however, are open at the leech, because of the added cloth needed for "sheeting angle", thus more surplus cloth and the ability for a bit more than just "ripple" when in the eye of the wind. Not flapping as much as a bermudan or gaff sail - but a bit more than a conventional junk panel.

    That's just another way of saying what Paul has said.

    I never thought of it before because I have never luffed up into a severe gale with my SJR, but I can imagine in that situation the conventional junk sail might be more robust than the SJR sail if exposed to prolonged abuse.

    In the normal situation it is not a big deal - the jibs are relatively small, and they can't flog in the way a bermudan or gaff sail can - the junk rig advantage still applies, perhaps a little less of the advantange in the SJR jibs.

    Still, this is something David T never quite "put his finger on" but has hinted at in the past, when cautiously noting that no-one yet has ocean-cruised extensively with SJR. It could be a weakness of SJR as an ocean-going rig, not yet discovered. (Not saying it is - just saying we don't yet know).

    I don't want to re-start controversy and I have not experienced the slightest problem with my SJR, and like it very much. But ... "horses for courses" could possibly apply. I have never discounted David's caution in the area of long-distance blue water sailing.

    Last modified: 07 Jul 2026 22:18 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 07 Jul 2026 13:27
    Reply # 13650522 on 13291754

    Indeed, food for thought...

    I certainly don't sail at F7-8, but easing the sail in gusts is a very important activity on a small dinghy. Efficiency in upwind sailing is always important. This provides an opportunity for interesting comparisons.

    Last modified: 07 Jul 2026 13:54 | Anonymous member
  • 07 Jul 2026 12:12
    Reply # 13650503 on 13291754

    Have a look at this post on Insta:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/DGppvFGAeAw/?img_index=7&igsh=NDBlOHpmZnlxeXZ4

    Does it show what you are looking for?

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