Evaluating windward performance

  • 21 Jun 2023 16:02
    Reply # 13218034 on 13213341

    In my last post, I proudly presented my Excel file that could calculate true wind speed and direction from datas available on board, ie: apparent wind speed, apparent wind angle and boat speed.
    I must say I was lately a little ashamed... when I discovered that someone else had had the same idea before me!
    Besides, this person had the good idea to produce a very simple website instead of an Excel document.
    You can easily visit this page, add it in your favourites or best: record it in your tablet or smartphone navigator, so you can access it even if no connection is available.

    So here it is: https://questeria.info/tw/ 
    The only difference is that you must input your boat heading too, which I assumed to be zero degrees since I wanted to estimate the true wind angle relative to my boat axis.

    Of course, one can happily live and sail without bothering! 


  • 10 Jun 2023 11:11
    Reply # 13213437 on 13213341
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Bonjour

    By itself the question is stupid as there are so manny factors linked to the windward performance. Especially, the helmsman,  the kell and ruder are very important.

    The flat Practical Junk Rig sail has poor windward performance because, as it is flat, there is little power at small incidence angle. In the background of the sailors mind ( the one's who heard about) it still remains.

    An answer I like is that the junkrig sailers that are tacking windward are often overpassed by bermudian sailing boats MOTORING ! The performance windward is not only a question of angle and speed but also of ease and confort.

    A general answer is that on a given cruising boat, a cambered junkrig would perform at least as well as a bermudian.

    A more factual answer is that there is in Norway a gentleman over 70 years old who races, with goog results, single handed his modified X99 against pointies.

    A more personal answer would be that you know someone how wants to equip a "Mini 6.50" with a junkwing.

    In my junkwing experimentation, I've computed some data from the boat track to measure the performance windward. It was complicated by the fact that it was at Arradon and that there was some current. I took the mean course on one tack, corrected from the tide (given by the detailed tide prevision chart) and same on the other tack to compare them. It is an interesting value because it is based on GPS so refred to ground and not water value; it includes the drift. It's time consuming because you must first clean the data to keep the steady part of the course...These results are not scientifically very robust as there is a lot of incertainty. What is robust is the compared tracks betwenn the junkwing track and the lugger sail (normal rigging of the boat) track. It's impressive. 

    I used GPSNaxX on a Ipad equipped with a GPS.

    https://inavx.com/gpsnavx

    You may find the report of my experiment here :

    https://jra.wildapricot.org/wingsail_forum/3171190

    The JRA has sponsored a measurement kit to be installed on anyboat to compute polars. It has been tested on several boats. The issue is that the amount of data was rather small. The result are published on the JRA web site and I suppose that the equipment is still available.The results are dated 2019:

    https://www.junkrigassociation.org/Sailing_performance

    Some navigation software equipments from the shell, as ADRENA, even in it's cruising version uses the colected data to create a polar for the boat. To have a good polar you must have a calibrated wind indicator and a speedo connected to the navigation software.

    https://www.adrena-software.com/

    Eric

    Last modified: 10 Jun 2023 21:54 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 09 Jun 2023 23:16
    Message # 13213341

    In every harbour, when people intrigued by my junk rig come to inquire about it, which I always enjoy, the inevitable question arises, after merely 2 or 3 minutes of my enthousiast talking: " How does it go upwinds? "

    As we were sailing down south from the Morbihan gathering, Kevin Cardiff and I started thinking of a ways to measure our upwind performance, while the only indication we could observe were boat speed, apparent wind angle (composed of the real wind angle plus our own generated wind), and the apparent wind speed (composed of the boat speed, and the real wind speed).

    The two latter being read, although very approximately, from our wind indicator.

    Back home,I made some web searches, and numerous simulations. This involved trigonometric relations, vectors and ancient theoremes. And several beers.

    All this was made in a very empiric trial and error manner, since my knowledge in trigonometry is nearly inexistant.

    Here I should mention that when I was 15, the girl sitting next to me in math class was a tall brunette often wearing short skirts, so my attention to the course was somewhat diluted - not that I regret it.

    Therefore I must admit I did stupidly assemble some equations from the web, and tweaked them until I came to a reasonable result.

    So, here attached is an Excel file for you to test, and suggest corrections (vocabulary, calculations, presentation).

    I have tested it on several drawings of triangles as the exemple shown on the Excel file.

    You need to enter 3 values:

    • Apparent wind angle (what you see on the wind indicator, very approximately)
    • Apparent wind speed (what you read on the wind indicator, also approximately)
    • Boat speed (read on the loch, but since we don’t have any on Paradox we read on the GPS, obviously neglecting any possible current)

    But the general principle is there.

    I'm quite satisfied with it, and more at ease to produce some figures instead of inventing the truth, when asked about winward performance of my junk rigged cruiser.

    Now the problem is that one can't run an excel file while strugling to sail to winward.

    I wish someone could find a way to develop this as an app for smartphone or tablet, android or apple, for example.

    Although the tall brunette is probably now a plump grand-mother with a few grand-children, I still can't concentrate enough for this task.


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