Junk rig conversion for a Westerly Pageant!

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  • 01 Nov 2022 10:29
    Reply # 12973702 on 12867914

    I’d just been thinking the same thing!

    great minds and all that haha

  • 01 Nov 2022 09:49
    Reply # 12973698 on 12867914

    Has anyone tried saturating the whole article in epoxy so that it becomes a solid object, or just the eye parts? Sven Yrvind uses this technique with ropes and chords to make various parts of his boats. 

  • 01 Nov 2022 09:30
    Reply # 12973696 on 12867914

    Thanks for the replies! I love the “octopus” style soft euphroes you’ve made. It looks like it’ll do the trick nicely. It would be lovely to hear how they fair. I can get gorgeous red anodised low friction thimbles. Just thinking how cool that would look next to my red and white sail (I know aesthetics shouldn’t take precedence but I can’t help it haha) once I’ve done some experimenting and zeroed in on a final sheeting arrangement that might be the answer.

    Sincerely appreciated your update on your soft euphroes Arne! Looks like in terms of longevity I’ll need to make some amendments to mine. In any case they ought to do for figuring out where everything goes. Plus, they’ve been great practice in working with twine.

    All the best,


    Zachary

  • 01 Nov 2022 09:00
    Reply # 12973651 on 12867914
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    That looked very interesting, Mauro!
    If it works in light winds, it should work in any winds. I will keep your version in mind.

    Cheers,
    Arne

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  • 01 Nov 2022 07:43
    Reply # 12973634 on 12867914

    Hi Arne and Zachary!

    I jump in this thread because I also made my own soft euphore, inspired by the idea of Arne.

    I made it with two 4mm dyneema lines, and three spliced in 7mm (not original Burton) aluminium rings. I passed the line with two spliced in rings through the free eye of the other one, made a cow hitch and stitched the two lines together.

    I tested this solution in light winds and had no problems. No expererience in strong wind...

    What do think about this?


    Cheers


    Mauro

     

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  • 31 Oct 2022 19:56
    Reply # 12973167 on 12867914
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Eeerrr,
    maybe that appendix about the improved Johanna-style sheet needs another appendix.
    The shown photos below (Photo Album 8) unveil what has happened. Due to the hard stretch, the ‘inner hole’ has been pulled into a rather narrow slot. I noticed on the last two outings, last month, that one sheetlet tended to go a bit slack. I concluded that one sheetlet was getting a bit jammed, so the load was not evened out properly.

    I still like the soft euphroe, as it is light and not that hard-hitting. However, there is room for improvement. I guess I must either squeeze in a thimble in the inner hole (the one to the left), or I will have to make a new euphroe from scratch, with at least one thimble (or Barton ring) in it.

    Cheers,
    Arne


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  • 30 Oct 2022 20:40
    Reply # 12971964 on 12867914

    It’s been a quiet few weeks due to a dicky ankle, and I’ve mainly been occupying myself by reading up on junks. Arne’s soft euphroes sparked my imagination and this weekend I’ve been busy making a couple of  them for Peggy. It didn’t take very long (about an hour but one can easily watch telly or have a coffee at the same time) and gave me the perfect opportunity to practice my whipping and seizing (a skill that until the day before yesterday I thought was well beyond me but it’s surprisingly easy and makes a remarkably solid connection).

    One looks like a confused paperclip and the other like a rather stylised babushka doll. The only slight difference I made to mine is that I added a whipped section to make a sort of rope grommet for my sheetlets to slide through. It feels very slippery and solid now indeed! Hoping it means that the “grommet can be replaced easily when it becomes worn.

    I have so many spare bits and bobs to make more in various configurations that they strike me as a fun learning tool for figuring out sheeting arrangements.

    just thought I’d share them with you all,


    Zachary.

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  • 18 Aug 2022 04:35
    Reply # 12887415 on 12887027
    Anonymous wrote:

    Webbing loops...

    By all means, if you like the look of the sewn grommets, then go ahead.

    However, from a technical point of view, grommets are not needed at all in cambered panel junksails.

    The loads in junksails are mainly along the edges where boltropes from rope or webbing (or stout tablings) sit. I have made seven junksails now, and none of them had a single grommet in them. Instead I have used webbing loops, mostly of different size. No problem with them.

    Thanks!


    I suspected as much due to the lower forces, but I tend to the of the "overspecced" clan when it comes to kit I make myself.

    And I do love the look of them.

    /Pär


  • 17 Aug 2022 21:15
    Reply # 12887027 on 12867914
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Webbing loops...

    By all means, if you like the look of the sewn grommets, then go ahead.

    However, from a technical point of view, grommets are not needed at all in cambered panel junksails.

    The loads in junksails are mainly along the edges where boltropes from rope or webbing (or stout tablings) sit. I have made seven junksails now, and none of them had a single grommet in them. Instead I have used webbing loops, mostly of different size. No problem with them.

    Arne


  • 17 Aug 2022 20:46
    Reply # 12886976 on 12867914

    Good question!

    Honest answer is I don’t know. The whole design process has been a case of doing tonnes of research (naturally forgetting over half of it), looking at what’s available easily to me and then suck it and see. The boat lives on a lake where the weather doesn’t change that quickly and you’re only ever eight minutes away from a safe mooring. It felt quite sensible to experiment. With regard to the grommets, I’ve seen many lug sails using stainless steel grommets and reasoned that whilst my sail is bigger than most of those, the “unsupported areas” are MUCH smaller… of course in this reasoning I didn’t take into account the large displacement difference between some of the lug sailed boats and my own. I will definitely keep you updated as to how they perform/last over time.

    Sewn grommets are so beautiful! Aside from how well they function I love the jaunty looks they bring to a sail… maybe if my grommets fail one by one I might try the proper way of doing things. Does anyone else have an idea on how well the grommets will last (depending on many varying conditions obviously)?

    Anyway, thank you for the question and apologies for not being able to deliver a useful answer.

    All the best,


    Zachary.

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