Engine for Kingfisher 20+ junk rig

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  • 29 Sep 2013 19:12
    Reply # 1400984 on 1212082
    Deleted user
    today the mounting (?) – the which holds the outboard engine inside the well – broke.
    any idea how to get a new one?
  • 13 Sep 2013 22:35
    Reply # 1388831 on 1212082
    Deleted user
    thank you, david, for your very helpful insights!
  • 29 Aug 2013 08:12
    Reply # 1376741 on 1376466
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    David Thompson wrote:..
    We have adapted by lifting the engine out at the end of the season, and storing it in the correct position as detailed in the handbook,  and leaving it vertical with the leg in the water during the sailing season. Problem solved.

    David, is the correct position for this Tohatsu 4stroke on its side on top of the tiller arm?
    Since I store mine in the lazaret this way I hope is going to start.
  • 29 Aug 2013 01:10
    Reply # 1376466 on 1212082
    Hi - You probably have found the engine and solved all problems by now, but  there is a minor cautionary tale for Tohatsu 6HP 4 stroke petrol outboards in Kingfisher 20+  wells. We had one and still have, but found that if it was kept in the "propellor up" position  when not in use for lengths of time (1 or 2 months), that is with the engine head tilted  towards tthe rear of the boat to lift the propellor up, oil from the engine sump slowly found its way  past the rings on the cylinder heads into the firing chamber. This in turn meant that it was very difficult to start,  as the oil in the firing chamber rapidly fouled the plug when the starter line was pulled, and that when started the engine produced a smokescreen sufficient to hide the Bismarck, for about 10 minutes, as it burnt off the rest of the oil. The longer the period it had been hinged backwards for, the worse the effect.   
                  The master mechanic who finally found out what was going wrong (after three others failed)  said that  the engine well had been originally designed for 2 stroke engines, which did not suffer from this problem as there was no permanent pool of oil in the sump - the necessary oil to lubricate the pistons came from the oil mixed in to the fuel. He thought that the problem would apply to any make of 4-stroke  motor, if left with the head tilted backwards  to the degree used in the K20+ well.  The effect only does occur after 6-8 weeks of tilted storage, and the engine does atart very reliably when left vertical in the normal working position. Apparently 4 strokes are designed to fit on normal outboard brackets  at the rear of boats, when they are tilted by  bringing the head forward and the leg backwards, which keeps the oil in the sump clear of the piston rings,  not the other way round.  
                    We have adapted by lifting the engine out at the end of the season, and storing it in the correct position as detailed in the handbook,  and leaving it vertical with the leg in the water during the sailing season. Problem solved.
  • 19 Jul 2013 23:06
    Reply # 1347547 on 1212082
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    I used to have a 4hp in mine and sometimes wished for a bit more.

    I ended up getting a standard length 4stroke without really thinking about the oil swilling about inside when you swing it up out of the way. 2 stroke are probably better for the well.

    I then ended up adding a auxiliary bracket to the back and had a 3.5hp on that too.

    Probably a bit too much in the stern, but adding a bracket & a 2.5 hp auxilary is worth considering. You can run them together if you need the extra power.
  • 11 Jul 2013 11:40
    Reply # 1338088 on 1212082
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    I thought I had had a senior moment. But your post didn't mention your boat type so I assumed it was a Kingfisher as most of this topic was about engines for them. 5 hp definitely too little oomph.
    Last modified: 11 Jul 2013 11:41 | Deleted user
  • 11 Jul 2013 06:28
    Reply # 1337946 on 1212082
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    Well the Kingfisher 20+ displaces 2900 lb or 1.3 tons whereas my Benford 30 probably displaces up to 5 t. I wouldn't call 6 HP "plenty" ;-)
  • 10 Jul 2013 20:09
    Reply # 1337549 on 1212082
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    Hi Patrick. 5 hp is plenty. My wife, two kids and I once motored our Kingfisher 20+ junk from Elba to Corsica and back with that rating. We also did lots of Dutch canals, the Isjelmeer and the Dutch islands. Bigger engine = more weight + higher running costs. Stick with 5 or maybe 6 hp. Gear change at the front would be a great idea.
  • 10 Jul 2013 13:46
    Reply # 1337295 on 1212082
    Deleted user
    I'm just about to convert my Tohatsu MFS6A to remote. The conversion kit itself was GBP 200, add some more for cables and a control box. Not exactly cheap unfortunately. Would have preferred buying a s/h outboard with controls fitted instead and indeed hadmy eyes on a tasty 15 HP Mariner Bigfoot which would've suited my ~5t boat far better. Wouldn't fit my well though so I'll stick with the old 1hp per ton's plenty ;-)
  • 15 Mar 2013 21:45
    Reply # 1243822 on 1212082
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    thank you very much for your thoughts – maybe i really should think about a remote box…
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