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Choosing of a junk rig for a daysailer

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  • 21 Dec 2012 20:59
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    It's me again Thierry. Now your choice has come down to the split rig you have a two way option. Either simple battens with a more complex sail - aka "Poppy" or my AeroJunk with simple sails and more complex battens. To help you choose, if you fit your boat with a tabernacle or a folding mast then you can travel with the stack of wishbone battens and sail already sitting on the deck round the tabernacle/mast stub thus reducing rigging time at your slipway.

    Horses for courses!

    Regards, Paul
  • 21 Dec 2012 02:04
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    Paul Thompson wrote:Thierry, I agree with David and Slieve, the split-rig is likely your best choice.

    Paul, could you elaborate a bit?

    [Webmaster edit: Thierry, I got rid of some wierd dashes that were appearing in your posts. Brian.]
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  • 21 Dec 2012 01:58
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    Slieve McGalliard wrote:

    Hi Thierry
    I think I've answered most of these questions when you asked them on the Yahoo Group. As I said there, I'm probably biased, but I do believe that the split junk will have the advantage over the other rigs when it comes to sailing close hauled in light conditions, or heavy, and probably also have the advantage over the Bermudan rig as well. Unfortunately Edward has gone to sun himself for a few days, so we haven't received anymore reports on how he is getting on with his boat which has a lot in common with the one you may be using.  We'll hear more in the not to distant future which should help to answer your questions.
    In haste, as ever,
    Cheers, Slieve

    Thanks Slieve, I know that you've answered my questions previously and this post was meant to categorise the options and try to get negative opinions about the different rig versions but that might be too much to ask in such a close circle. 

    Also I thought that other people in a similar position to mine would report about their search and I would learn more in going public. I also try to read between the lines when people report about their rigs and have learned a few negative things that are not directly written. 

    You might have mentioned Edward to me before but sorry if I forgot. I guess he will pop up in due course. 

    I have been like a hummingbird picking bits of information here and there and trying to build up a picture of the qualities and drawbacks of all those rigs. In fact it looks like the flat rig is not going to work under 15 knots (Force 4). And slowly the split rig seems to emerge at the front. The wishbone split rig seems an interesting concept though I am not sure if I can spent enough time and effort to develop it out of the dark without a precedent. 

    Excuse my fuzzy English. 

    Cheers Thierry
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  • 20 Dec 2012 17:41
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    Thierry, I agree with David and Slieve, the split-rig is likely your best choice.
  • 20 Dec 2012 16:43
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    Thierry,
    With the criteria that you lay down, and on that style and size of boat, I'd be going for a split junk. The mast will be near, or at, the bermudan mast postion, and I'd put it in a tabernacle for a trailable boat. 
  • 20 Dec 2012 16:40
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    Hi Thierry
    I think I've answered most of these questions when you asked them on the Yahoo Group. As I said there, I'm probably biased, but I do believe that the split junk will have the advantage over the other rigs when it comes to sailing close hauled in light conditions, or heavy, and probably also have the advantage over the Bermudan rig as well. Unfortunately Edward has gone to sun himself for a few days, so we haven't received anymore reports on how he is getting on with his boat which has a lot in common with the one you may be using.  We'll hear more in the not to distant future which should help to answer your questions.
    In haste, as ever,
    Cheers, Slieve
    Last modified: 20 Dec 2012 16:51 | Anonymous member
  • 20 Dec 2012 12:56
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    Hi all, 

    My hands-on experience with the junk rig is nil. All I know is from reading and talking. I attended a rally once in 1997 I think. I started sailing on optimist 40 years ago and I think I know how to sail a boat. 
    I have a renewed interest for the junk rig and I have been doing a lot of reading recently, mostly in the fora, but also in the technical files. For sure I am not done yet. 

    My plan is to junk rig a Shark 24 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=44, sort of J24 of the 6os. 
    The original bermudan rig carries 240 sqft of sail on a fairly short mast. I want to have at least that area. 
    It is a racing boat and there are big fleets in Ontario and in the German speaking countries. 
    But several copies have been sailed across the Atlantic and Pacific short handed and many regularly cruise the Med and the Baltic. 
    It is a slender boat and probably displacement-wise (1 ton) more comparable to a 21 footer. 
    It may not be the typical boat you would junk rig but it is available and has other advantages for me, e.g. speed, trailer-ability, price, non-cored construction, transom hung rudder. 
    I will be sailing mostly hard on the wind in less than 10 knots (force 3). That's what happens when you daysail because you have to come back. 
    I want it to perform upwind in 3 knots of wind at least as well as the bermudan version. 

    I now have at least 5 broad choices and all variations in between: 
    Slieve's split sail 
    Arne's quilted sail 
    David's fanned sail 
    Kurt's flat sail (Hasler McLeod) with some fanning in the upper panels and some cambering in the lower panels 
    Paul's wishboned sail 

    I like the split rig because of the balance it offers downwind. 
    The quilted sail seems to perform well and is easy to make. 
    I love the look of the fanned sail, it's a low aspect ratio and develops some camber through form. 
    The modified flat sail as advocated by Kurt is close to the original HML (Hasler McLeod) design. 
    I am intrigued by the wishbone design. 

    I am pretty sure that I don't want to experiment too much though I am sure that I will create a model before embarking on the full scale project. 
    The 3 first mentioned choices offer good support to make the rig. 

    I am hoping with this new topic that the proponents will help find my rig and discuss my intended boat platform in conjunction with the rig. I am also hoping that this will help others to choose their rig. 

    Thanks for your input, 

    Thierry
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