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Sorting out my parrels

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  • 10 Nov 2025 22:49
    Reply # 13561690 on 13561671
    Anonymous wrote:Either way, your number one priority in a little dinghy is to be able to reef and hand the sail quickly and reliably, if the wind suddenly gets too strong and everything starts to happen too quickly. I think you already know that.
    OK, Graeme! Thanks! You're probably right. Our season is over, and I have about six months to think about improvements. But I still have to make new sail, so there's plenty to think about. So I'll be thinking about other improvements! Thank you! Take care! ;)
    Last modified: 10 Nov 2025 22:50 | Anonymous member
  • 10 Nov 2025 22:03
    Reply # 13561671 on 1161782
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jan, let me dispel the first misunderstanding immediately.

    As I understand it, you have to hold all of them (in Paul's case, two, or even three lines) in your hand (and retrieve them) while reefing, while easing the halyard with your other hand. At the end, you have to cleat all those lines.” No. Nothing like that.

    The SJR (like any other properly set up junk rig) can be reefed or dropped completely, in an instant, with one hand, and with complete control of the sail. Just the same as the system you have already. The parrel-downhauls can be tweaked up later, when you have a moment to spare. They are held in jam cleats or cam cleats or clutch cleats or some other convenient system.

    The ability to reef or drop the sail instantly, with control at all times over the loose canvas, is the only advantage and the only reason for having a junk sail on a dinghy.

    If you have achieved that, with your system of parrels, then you already have a successful system.

    I think your parrel system is quite ingenious and I can see immediately that it has a further advantage (in common with the rigid parrels of Steve’s Serenity) that it restrains the yard and battens from moving in a fore-and-aft direction, thus eliminating the need for the usual running parrels (LHP, HKP etc).  Furthermore, again in common with the rigid parrels of Serenity, it seems to work perfectly well with an unconventional sail planform.

    You have got that little inflatable dinghy to actually sail (which is quite an achievement) and you have a rig which can be managed safely, reefed quickly – and dropped instantly if needed. In that case, I suspect you have acheived at least 90% of what could be possible.

    The running downhaul parrels which Slieve designed achieve a similar result (on a sail which has been designed with a conventional planform). It’s a good system, but it won’t work so well on your sail planform and I don’t think it would work very well on Serenity either.

    If you over-think, and start trying to mix and match features from different packages, you are going to make a lot of complications – you might gain an advantage somewhere, and lose an advantage somewhere else.

    I am not opposed to experimentation, but the aerodynamic theories of Marchaj are a long way from the actual aerodynamics of a little inflatable dinghy with a home-made sail. Your number one priority is sail-handling and safety and you seem to have achieved that very well. Next, you could look at making a better sail and fine-tuning for a slightly better performance, but the difference between good enough – and as good as it can possibly be – will be a fraction of a knot of extra speed – perhaps a slight improvement to windward but likely the difference will barely be measurable.

    Yes, the luff of the main should be approximately at the centreline of the mast, with the slot forward of the mast, for the best results (in theory, at least). If you would like to  shift your sail forward a few cm and see if it leads to a measurable improvement, why don’t you just shift your semi-rigid parrels aft a little, to bring the mains luffs alongside the mast? (I see from one of the other posts that you have tried to keep these parrels away from the sail panels because you fear that they will tangle with the sail in some way, but I can’t see a problem, why not try it?)  If you find, as a result, that the sail is now a little too far forward and maybe causing a little bit of lee helm, then you will have added a little more knowledge to what you have. (In all likelihood that won’t be a problem, but you won’t know unless you try).

    Your parrel system lacks any sort of downhaul. Junk sails don’t generally seem to need downhauls (and you currently have no problem with reefing or dropping the sail, so there is probably no need for downhauls on your sail either). It is possible that with downhauls the luffs might straighten out a little and the sail might set a little better – again I doubt if you will be able to measure the improvement – but the simplest way to try it would be simply to add a single simple downhaul to one or two of your battens – and when you have a moment to spare, just put a little bit of tension on them and see what happens, see if the set of the sail improves a little. (Not when things are happening quickly, of course, but when you have a moment to spare). (That’s how the Slieve-type parrels work also, you don’t need to manage everything at once).

    The sail you have made is an excellent prototype for trying out these little things, and then, when you have decided what matters, make a new sail with proper cut and good cambers, with confidence that everything is going to work.

    If you want to continue with your square top planform, then I would suggest that you stick with your “pistol” parrels, or some other rigid type such as Steve’s “egg formers” as used on Serenity. If you want to use the spanned running parrel downhauls which Slieve developed, then I suggest you would be best to follow the Amiina planform, (the shape and proportions of that sail) and have the mains luffs close to the mast, and keep to the Amiina design package.

    Either way, your number one priority in a little dinghy is to be able to reef and hand the sail quickly and reliably, if the wind suddenly gets too strong and everything starts to happen too quickly. I think you already know that.

    Yes, I think Paul G has done a lovely job of his SJR and I can't congratulate him enough on his informative and delightful video. What a wonderful suprise to see Poppy in it as well! I am looking forward to seeing Paul's SJR Schooner rig.


    Last modified: 10 Nov 2025 22:39 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 10 Nov 2025 15:05
    Reply # 13561461 on 1161782

    Thanks for the info! I'll have to think about it. My pistol parrels allow for very convenient (and quick!) reefing/dropping, even with one hand, and also provide good GRP mast protection. However, Marchaj writes that the gap between the mast and the sail should be as small as possible, preferably none at all. My parrels don't provide that yet. As I can see in his fantastic video and profile photos, Paul adjusts the sail so that the main panel's luff is close to the mast. You probably do too.

    However, pistol parrels have many rolling elements, which in this situation would likely be too close to the sail, which can cause the sail to wrap around them. That's why I thought about famous Slieve's parrels.

    I think it would be great if there was a video showing how to reef sails with these parrels. As I understand it, you have to hold all of them (in Paul's case, two, or even three lines) in your hand (and retrieve them) while reefing, while easing the halyard with your other hand. At the end, you have to cleat all those lines. Am I right? I'm not sure I can do it fast enough. I'll have to think about it... 

    After the recent modifications to my folding dinghy, I ventured out into stronger winds, even reefing to a single panel. But then everything happens much faster, and it's worth having quick access to the rudder/sheets (or the mast to pull the sail down). When that happened, I'd let go of the halyard, knowing the sail would fall safely to the catcher, and I'd hoist it up reefed later.

    In any case, Paul G's photos and video are very thought-provoking. I think a discussion about them would be very interesting, but I suspect it's better to continue it in the "SJR construction details" thread. 

    But I'm pretty sure my next sail will be an SJR, with more camber than my current origami SJR. I hope Slieve agrees?

    Thank you again Graeme! As always, you are very helpful!

    Last modified: 10 Nov 2025 17:10 | Anonymous member
  • 10 Nov 2025 02:19
    Reply # 13561366 on 1161782
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jan wrote: I have problem: Do spanned downhaul parrels need to be pulled while reefing/dropping the sail?

    The parrel-downhauls need to be pulled tight when reefing, because they become slack as soon as you lower the sail a little. So, you drop one panel (say) and then just give each of them a tweak - I run mine through cam cleats, so all they need is a tweak to make them firm again.

    Mine are set up so that you don't lose control of the sail. They are set up with a stopper, so that even if the halyard is slackened off quite a lot, the running parrels only slacken off a few centimetres, just enough so that the batten is detached from the mast, but it can't move too far away. That way there is no urgency to tweak them up.

    As for dropping the sail entirely, the whole bundle falls into the lift cradle (lazy jacks etc) the same limitation as above still applies, so there is no loss of control of the sail and when when fully lowered it is completely muzzled by the lift cradle, which in the case of a SJR would best be a  sail catcher (which I see you have anyway).


    How to make the stops so the running parrels can only slack a few cm? It's a bit hard to explain. Here's how I did it on my boat: Each batten has two small saddles attached and the running parrel pairs are attached to two of these saddles at their ends, and rove through the other two other saddles as shown.


    I just did that so that (a) I could take it all apart quickly and (b) I could adjust the position of the saddles to exactly where they work best.


    The loop at the botton of the parrel pair runs through the clip which is on the downhaul  (that clip being smooth and frictionless so it also acts as a little pulley. I think you will understand how it all works). It's exactly the same as Slieve's diagram except for the two saddles which the parrel pair run through.

    The bonus, which I discovered by accident, is that when the downhaul is slack, the parrel pair can only run back out through the lower saddle until the downhaul clip hits the first saddle - it is too big to go through, so the parrel pair is stopped from getting any slacker. That's slack enough for the parrels to run freely so the batten drops, but not slack enouigh for the batten to move too far away from the mast.

    That's how it works for me, and is probably only suitable for a small rig, and with timber battens which made it quick and easy to screw the saddles where I want them. For a bigger boat or a boat with metal battens, you might need to find some other way, but the principle of having a stop somewhere in the system to prevent the parrel pair from slacking more than necessary is a useful one, because then the battens are under pretty good control at all times and the downhauls only need to be tweaked at a convenient time just to get the sail set nicely. It's dead simple but hard to explain. I hope you can understand - I think what I have described will work well for your little sail.

    I should add, I found it useful to have a standing parrel on the yard, just loose enough to allow the yard to move up and down without sticking, and also I have a standing downhaul on the boom - neither of these requires any attention. The former helps keep the yard under control, and the latter (which only comes into play when the sail is fully hoisted) just keeps the boom where I want it.


    I would be curious to hear feedback from other SJR owners. What I have described may not be necessary at all, or there  may be a better way. All I know is, it works perfectly on my boat.

    Last modified: 10 Nov 2025 02:50 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 09 Nov 2025 21:03
    Reply # 13561291 on 1161983
    Anonymous wrote:

    I have just added a modification to Chapter 11 of my write up in the Junk Info section which may be useful.  With this simpler way to rig the downhauls they hold the batten close to the mast even though they are only 'tugged' tight, and stop the battens bouncing about when the sea is lumpy.

    Take a look at Edward's rig on Emiina in the photo gallery.

    If this does not help please feel free to contact me direct if you wish, as there is something for us all to learn from your experience.

    Cheers, Slieve.

    I have problem: Do spanned downhaul parrels need to be pulled while reefing/dropping the sail? If not, I'm concerned about losing control of the sail during this process( ?) On my small boat, sometimes I don't have much time when reefing...  Any suggestions ?

    Last modified: 09 Nov 2025 21:33 | Anonymous member
  • 23 Dec 2012 04:01
    Reply # 1165565 on 1164446
    Deleted user
    David Thatcher wrote:For non adjusting parrels try webbing, it slides very easily.

    Has anybody compared the friction of webbing with rope inside hard slippery plastic hose?

    I think I'm going to try something like Paul Fay's system on my mizzen next, and I do want to manage the friction as best I can.
  • 23 Dec 2012 03:57
    Reply # 1165563 on 1161782
    Deleted user
    I definitely like tying my halyard tail around the yard instead of the becket. Moving 1/3 of the halyard load a foot either direction is a nice bit of fine tuning of the yard sling point, and the time for that adjustment is next to nothing. Plus I *think* I trust my single knot more than the block plus lashing...if the block let go, it would go two-blocks at the masthead and the tail would still hold the sail up. OTOH if my knot fails the whole thing falls down. I guess I'm not buying a lot of security there!

    David, thank you for the warning about getting blocks out of line. I think as long as the parts are pretty close together it will work out fine. My double blocks at the masthead are actually two single blocks with a combined hanging point as manufactured, and they will twist relative to eachother a little bit which probably gives me a bit of extra leeway there.

    My halyards are 3:1 and I'm pretty happy with that, as I've got a big winch leftover from the original Freedom rig with direct halyards, and I only need it with the main for the most part.
  • 21 Dec 2012 19:01
    Reply # 1164861 on 1164804
    Kurt Jon Ulmer wrote:
    Lateral thinking...

    Barry: '...instead of tying off to the becket, I just tied the tail around the yard.'

    Great idea! In any odd-purchase halyard, this can distribute a fraction of the lifting load to another point on the yard, and add a little peaking-up, if tied aft of the sling point. 

    Substituting a knot and 2 single blocks, for a double block with a becket, spreads the lift over three points in a 5:1 halyard. This is geometrically way better than a bridle with very little height above the yard. 

    A related trick is to tie the halyard's tail to the deck, giving one less purchase (5:1 becomes 4:1) and keeping the tail handy for re-reeving.

    Kurt
    ... but be careful. If you have a double or triple block at the masthead, the leads of the parts of the halyard into that block will be offline. Better to use single blocks at the masthead if you want to use this idea.
  • 21 Dec 2012 17:54
    Reply # 1164804 on 1161782
    Lateral thinking...

    Barry: '...instead of tying off to the becket, I just tied the tail around the yard.'

    Great idea! In any odd-purchase halyard, this can distribute a fraction of the lifting load to another point on the yard, and add a little peaking-up, if tied aft of the sling point. 

    Substituting a knot and 2 single blocks, for a double block with a becket, spreads the lift over three points in a 5:1 halyard. This is geometrically way better than a bridle with very little height above the yard. 

    A related trick is to tie the halyard's tail to the deck, giving one less purchase (5:1 becomes 4:1) and keeping the tail handy for re-reeving.

    Kurt
  • 21 Dec 2012 04:30
    Reply # 1164446 on 1161782
    Deleted user
    For non adjusting parrels try webbing, it slides very easily.
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