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Sorting out my parrels

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  • 12 Nov 2025 11:49
    Reply # 13562227 on 1161782

    Thanks! I'll probably write something about it, but not until after next season, and on "my" thread.

    Maybe my experiences as a newbie (which I still feel like) will be useful to someone. In the meantime, I'll probably have a few questions ;)

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  • 12 Nov 2025 02:19
    Reply # 13562141 on 1161782
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Yes, asymmetrical - same as you currently have. 

    First, it might be a good idea to try repositioning the parrels you currently have, because that might work perfectly well, and also, before making your new sail or making any other changes, it might be helpful to know what will be the effect on the helm of moving the sail forward a few cm. 

    Just for the sake of discussion.

    I can't imagine you will be able to measure any improvement from having a "symmetric" lug rig, but I guess "messing about" is good fun, as the Chinese water rat says, at the bottom of this page.

    Good luck and I wish you the joy of it.


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  • 11 Nov 2025 23:16
    Reply # 13562083 on 1161782

    Indeed! Your solution may prove simple and effective! But also asymmetrical.

    D-formers are supposed to be symmetrical, which requires cutting the batten.

    Then, it must be connected with some form of very strong and stiff symmetrical "batten parrel"  (D-former) that (in the case of a delicate GRP or carbon mast) won't scratch it. And it won't be too complicated or too heavy.

    By the way, I really like your idea of ​​moving the parrels along the battens. It's so simple, and it might help.


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  • 11 Nov 2025 21:49
    Reply # 13562059 on 1161782
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jan, yes I think it would be good to make another sail and get more camber. I see that Curtis started a thread on camber, entitled Camber Amount and Placement in a Poly Tarp Sail ?  (Unfortunately no-one responded) This might be a good place for your discission on camber.

    Regarding your parrels, if you are concerned about abrasion, maybe you could consider very short soft parrels. I was wondering if you could make simple grommets from slippery synthetic rope (polypropylene?) 


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZPO-TNwERo



    Maybe lash them to the batten at two points.

    Just a thought, I don't know if it has been tried.


    Last modified: 11 Nov 2025 21:50 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 11 Nov 2025 12:07
    Reply # 13561818 on 1161782

    Regarding a camber, I agree with you. But this doesn't change the fact that there are sails with large camber and small camber. In my opinion my sail has too little camber, although I haven't measured it.  When I look at pictures of your or Paul's boat, I see that the sails have bigger camber.  That's why I want to make a sail with larger camber

    The origami method is really very simple and convenient, I used this sail for two seasons, but I wonder if maybe the sail lost its camber when I was stretching it to remove wrinkles. Now I want to try a method that seems to give me more control over the camber. (btw I don't know which thread to discuss camber/origami in, because this one seems to be about parrels).

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  • 11 Nov 2025 09:35
    Reply # 13561801 on 1161782

    I've considered plastic boards, but I'm not entirely confident about that solution. Too many uncertainties... I think they might damage the (GRP) mast too.

    I'd be more inclined to consider the metal d-formers I've drawn below, but with a plastic flexible tube instead of plastic rings.(or a combination of both?)

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  • 11 Nov 2025 08:59
    Reply # 13561800 on 1161782
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    If you really want to use rigid parrels, and worried about abrasion, could you make "D" or "oval" formers from teflon? How about from plastic (teflon?) kitchen chopping boards?

  • 11 Nov 2025 08:31
    Reply # 13561799 on 1161782

    Yes, but which rigid parrels can be used on a carbon or GRP mast without damaging it? I also considered D-formers with rolling plastic rings, but I didn't like them.

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  • 11 Nov 2025 00:30
    Reply # 13561709 on 1161782
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    "Rigid" or "fixed" batten parrels.

    While on the subject of  "rigid parrels" (for example, your "pistol parrels", Steve's "egg former" or "oval parrels" - and, for that matter, the arrangements used on Paul Mc's various aerojunks and hybrids - and (I think) David T's Weaverbird wingsail - these are all rigid versions of the conventional soft mast parrel, - we might as well also throw into the mix a concept which Arne was toying with a while ago.


    I hope Arne doesn't mind.

    Arne sent me a drawing of his concept, which he calls "fixed batten parrels", which he was thinking of trying out, but which later he found he did not need, so the idea "never left the drawing board".

    In Arne's usual clever way, he worked out a solution, in two different forms:


    Arne's "fixed" batten parrel (asymmetric)


    Like the "pistol" parrels, this is an asymmetric form of Steve's "oval" parrels and Paul Mc's "D former" parrels.

    There is quite a lot of "food for thought" in this forum thread.



    Jan's "Pistol parrel"  (asymmetric)


    Steve's "egg former" or "oval parrel"  (symmetric) for SJR


    Paul Mc's "D-former parrel"  (symetric) for SJR



    Soft batten parrels

    (a) Conventional soft batten parrels (long type or short type) do not need a diagram.


    (b) Slieve's soft "spanned, paired, running downhaul parrels"  for SJR

    Soft batten parrels (a) and (b) are for the asymmetric system (the sail stays on one side of the mast on both tacks) - and it would seem that they work best on a sail planform which has been harmonised with regard to mast balance and yard angle, so that the halyard angle is within reasonable bounds. 

    The "rigid" or "hard" (fixed) types above would seem to be much more tolerant of planform and halyard angle, because the yard and battens are restrained from any fore-and-aft movement.

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  • 10 Nov 2025 22:49
    Reply # 13561690 on 13561671
    Anonymous wrote:Either way, your number one priority in a little dinghy is to be able to reef and hand the sail quickly and reliably, if the wind suddenly gets too strong and everything starts to happen too quickly. I think you already know that.
    OK, Graeme! Thanks! You're probably right. Our season is over, and I have about six months to think about improvements. But I still have to make new sail, so there's plenty to think about. So I'll be thinking about other improvements! Thank you! Take care! ;)
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