best rig for racing?

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  • 31 Mar 2014 08:24
    Reply # 1528340 on 1525947

    I hadn't planned to be in UK waters by then.. but it's quite a tempting idea.  I'll mull it over for a while. To be honest I thought my racing days were well and truly behind me, but it would be quite fun to size Mariposa up against other Contessa 26's.  Of course I start with the advantage of not having to carry an iron topsail around the course :-)


  • 30 Mar 2014 21:12
    Reply # 1528050 on 1525947
    Arne, you are quite correct about the Contessa 26.  For the Round the Island Race the ISC give it a better handicap ( lower TMF ) than my little 21ft. Van der Stadt Splinter 'Amiina'!!!
    No wonder they do well.  On that basis we should persuade Peter Scandling to enter Mariposa in the Round the Island Race.  He should do very well with his cambered Arne type sail.
  • 30 Mar 2014 13:15
    Reply # 1527786 on 1525947
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    David’s answer to what rig is best for racing was:


    “Sadly, the answer is even more obvious - it's whatever rig that you can persuade the handicappers is slower than it really is.”


    I couldn’t agree more.  A glaring example is the Contessa 26. That boat is inspired by the Nordic Folkboat, but they replaced the easily handled partial rig of the FB (17 + 7sqm) with a low masthead rig. The result was a slower boat, which with its need for genoas and spinnakers is anything but easily handled. However, the racing handicap given to the Contessa is so favorable that it does better than the FB in races like the Round the Island Race.


    Don’t get me wrong  -  the Contessa 26 is a great boat, but to make it into a  good cruising boat, it surely needs a generous junk rig.


    The FB, on the other hand; if someone gave one to me, I may well have kept it with the original Bermuda rig, if the sail and rig was in good order.



    All my jabbering about JR performance over the years may have misled people to think that I am race oriented. I am not. My goal is to have the optimal cruising machine, not racing machine. An effective, comfortable and quick sailboat is a greener boat than a slower boat which needs more work to handle, simply because it will cover a bigger part of the distance under sail, instead of motoring.



    In the interview with Roger Taylor in Yachting Montly (Mars 2014), Roger describes his motives for moving up from Mingming to Mingming 2: The faster Mingming 2 will let him cover longer distances within his 60-days cruising schedule. Very logic.



    There is nothing wrong with some performance in a cruising boat. The challenge is to improve performance just enough, without letting the costs run away, and without losing the safe and easy handling.




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  • 29 Mar 2014 20:56
    Reply # 1527592 on 1525947
    Nope, Arne's even quicker than his boats: and judging by Ketil's success, they are pretty fast.

    Intersting, Georg: Arne's rigs are used offshore; day sailing and racing.  Makes you think, eh?
  • 29 Mar 2014 16:07
    Reply # 1527500 on 1525947
    Deleted user
    of course you're right.
    nevertheless maybe younger people interested in alternative riggs might be also interested in fitting answers…
    and as far as i can see arne isn't exactly slow, is he? ;-))
  • 28 Mar 2014 22:35
    Reply # 1527237 on 1526902
    David Tyler wrote:
    Happily, I saw sense a long time ago, and don't want to race, period. 

    Me neither - until I read Ketil's accounts.  He seems to have so much fun!  But, alas, as it said on my school reports, 'lacks concentration'.  So I think the best rig for racing is one that is accompanied by a good brain!
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  • 28 Mar 2014 14:27
    Reply # 1526902 on 1525947
    Sadly, the answer is even more obvious - it's whatever rig that you can persuade the handicappers is slower than it really is. I wouldn't want to race in anything other than a one design fleet.
    Happily, I saw sense a long time ago, and don't want to race, period. 
  • 28 Mar 2014 13:39
    Reply # 1526871 on 1525947

    Surely the answer is obvious - it is whatever the rig you have!

    Racing is always a good way of getting the best performance out of your rig, and then spurs you on to further development.

    (sadly this does not apply to me as I have none at present)

  • 27 Mar 2014 20:27
    Reply # 1526426 on 1525947
    Deleted user
    thank y'all for your thoughts…! :-))

  • 27 Mar 2014 19:22
    Reply # 1526386 on 1525947
    Ketil's first 3 points are obligatory.
    In hindsight I made a mistake with my mast.
    Should have gone for Carbon Fibre, even if it was a little more.
    My Aluminium mast is surprisingly heavy and with the centre of effort rather higher in a junk rig,
    then this has made a slightly tender boat, rather more tender!
    Just means I have to reef earlier than otherwise.
    As for point 4, the jury is still out.  Camber is definitely in.
    3 designs all look good.  Arne's, David's or Slieve's
    Personally I think Slieve's Split Junk with its low stress, fine balance and up wind lift has logic on its side, but absolutely nothing is proven yet.  Only having 3 identical hulls, and testing each rig will give a definitive answer.  You must see what you fancy, and make your own choice.
    The important thing now is to get your boat out there and have fun.
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