Wooden 8m junk in France

  • 16 Oct 2020 15:52
    Message # 9307652


    Build in 1993 with some recent repairs for 14000€

    Based in Saint Cyprien, France

  • 16 Oct 2020 23:27
    Reply # 9308451 on 9307652

    Did you not see this?


  • 17 Oct 2020 12:23
    Reply # 9309039 on 9307652


    I felt like I read about it before..

    but of course it is worth to be mentioned twice :)

  • 19 Oct 2020 16:10
    Reply # 9312530 on 9307652

    Hi everyone.

    I sent an enquiry email about this nice junk to the broker (Philibert Paisance).
    No reply to my first message.
    Second message one week later was answered directly in my text, as follows (originally in french, replies highlighted in yellow):

    I would like to have some details about this boat.
    Comfort level, does the "one cabin" boat have a bathroom and WC? (isolated from the rest of the cabin)
    Practical level: for an navigation from Mediterranée to the Atlantic via the Canal du Midi, is the mast easily removable? No
    Finally, will a sea trial be possible before any decision is taken? no
    Of course, there will be a lot of other questions if I meet the owner, but I want to say that I am an aficionado of junk rigging, and that I am interested in this boat precisely for that reason.
    Best regards,
    Patrick Leblanc"

    As you can see, these very polite guys at Philibert Plaisance really do care about potential customers, giving extensive answers, offering solutions, proposing visits. Well, even if they didn't answer the first question (who needs a bathroom anyway).

    I guess I must have taken bad habits, since I frequent the JRA and the nice manners of all it's members...

  • 23 Oct 2020 13:58
    Reply # 9321427 on 9307652

    I live in France and am frankly unsurprised by the poor service you received from this broker. In my experience French people are generally very good-mannered in person but, when in involved in any commercial transaction, quite the opposite. I don't pretend to understand the reason, but it appears that the whole procedure of selling anything seems quite distasteful here even to peole who are dependent on it to make a living. There is certainly a frequent lack of any basic acumen about how the process works; businesses who do not publish details on their opening and closing times or days, or even sometimes their location. Supermarkets that leave rotting vegetables on display even when their attention is drawn to it, websites that are never updated, blanket ignorance of the fact that customers are legally entitled to a refund when returning faulty goods. The advertising for this boat is just one example of an inability to understand what a prospective customer would wish or need to know. Estate Agents ('immobiliers') who fail to supply basic information about properties they have for sale and seem surprised when asked what heating installation a house has or whether there is shared access or an up-to-date sewage installation, or even how may toilets there are. I assume that when the English were described as 'a nation of shopkeepers' it was meant as a significant insult to any one involved in the sordid business of business itself.

  • 29 May 2021 16:25
    Reply # 10572622 on 9307652

    For anyone would could be interested, I have visited this little junk 3 days ago, afloat in Canet-en-Roussillon, south of France.

    Lovely little boat, in need of a certain amount of attention.

    It was built in 1990.

    Hull is wood but covered in epoxy.

    Engine looks in very good condition and runs fine.

    Sail, though not deployed, seems recent, looks in perfect condition. Batten end pockets look strong. Battens are fiber, sail is flat.

    No keel, but a retractable dagger board, for a maximum draft of 140cm (not verified).

    Mast is not plain timber, but built hollow. Looks ok, varnish looks fine.

    Hand rails needs to be replaced or at least made stronger all around, I would not dare to lean on it, though it gives a feeling of safety.

    There is a spray hood over companionway hatch, and a sun cover over the cockpit, they need thorough washing, so does the deck anti-skid paint (this latter could be renewed or replaced, though still very efficient).

    Cockpit sun cover tubing frame is also supporting a solar panel. Tube is broken at one point, weak on the other side, needs re-welding or replacing.

    Inside is pleasant, though in my opinion needs to be totally renewed. Lots of space for an 8 meters boat.

    Good standing room, my 188cm meter height fits almost everywhere.

    Layout is not conventional, dining table and seats in aft, kitchen on port side and seatee on starboard.

    Toilet on starboard between salon and fore cabin, possible shower arrangement supposed just outside toilet, so says the broker.

    Fore cabin has a double berth on port and a single berth on starboard. Enough space for imaginating a different layout.

    The engine is... under the dining table, and its whole cabinet would need to be replaced and there is no phonic insulation!

    Electric installation would need rewiring. Fridge is 220 volts.

    Boat is advertized for 12000€, but broker admits it will never sell at that price. I would offer 8000, if I had to.

    My main concern is the french classification as "catégorie 5".

    This classification is now obsolete, but it use to mean that the boat was not suited to sail further than 5 nautical miles from shore.

    Hard to understand.

    I'll attach some pictures, I have more that I can transfer if someone is interested.

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