27m2 sail possibly for sale

  • 30 Jul 2019 10:25
    Message # 7803658

    It seems that I might have to change my boat or the rig I have made for several reasons, in order to make my boat sail the way I want it to.

    The question is about a mismatch between the boat and the rig, not a fault in either one as itself. Many people would be happy with the combination as it is.

    Anyway, I'm checking possible interest for the happily yellow sail I have made. It's Arne Kvaerneland's Johanna-type sail (AR 2.15, if I remember correctly) with a sail area of about 27m2. The batten length is 4000mm.

    I have made the sail from separate panels using broadseaming and a few tucks . The lowest panel has a targeted camber of 10%, most of the others 8% and less at the top. I haven't measured the actual camber.

    The "hinges" (that work as batten pockets) have been made for 35mm batten tubes.

    The method allows for leaving e.g. one panel away, if need be. My boat is a Galion 22 with about 1500kg of deplacement.

    The thread about the conversion can be found here.

    As the cloth I used Swela Outguard 190 gsm. The sail has been used for two very short, northern summers. The sail has some dark marks from the battens and some light wear. The lowest panel has a small patch sewn in, because the cloth was once caught badly during a sail because of my own mistake.

    I have sailed in winds exeeding 15 m/s without being worried of the stability of the sail.

    A short clip in light wind here.

    The sail (and the boat, if someone would be interested in both) is located in Finland and can be shipped (the sail, that is). Because of the cost, it will probably only be relevant to think shipping inside Europe, though.

    Questions, offers, anything else: jampuliini at gmail.com.

    Last modified: 02 Aug 2019 14:14 | Anonymous member
  • 06 Aug 2019 08:55
    Reply # 7813809 on 7803658

    Hi Jami, I sent you an email about your beautiful yellow sail.  If it isn't in your inbox look in your junk mail folder!  The way you built it with hinges is very interesting, and I am tempted by it, despite the cost of postage to Australia, since I am looking for a cambered junk sail to replace the junkette rig that came with my new boat.  The junkette's jib is effective going to windward but I don't like handling it, and am concerned about the stresses it places on the mast.

  • 16 Aug 2019 16:41
    Reply # 7831460 on 7803658

    Hello Jami,

    Having downsized, we are looking for a sail for a Freedom 21 which already has a suitable unstayed mast. It's a light displacement boat (about 2/3 of yours) and the existing mainsail area is 20m2.  So, your sail with the bottom panel removed seems like a possibility. Would you agree? If you do decide to sell, would you include battens and yard or just the sail?  By the way, we live in the UK.

    Sally Peake.


    Last modified: 16 Aug 2019 16:43 | Anonymous member
  • 16 Aug 2019 18:02
    Reply # 7831681 on 7803658
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Hi, Sally

    Since I had Jami’s sail in my pc, it was a quick job to fit six of the seven panels onto a Freedom 21 drawing. It looks good to me. The sail may need to be pulled just a bit aft from my drawn position  -  or maybe not.

    The mast of the Freedom has a bit aft rake (2°), but that should be no problem. You may pull the top of the sail aft so the luff and leech sit parallel with the mast. This surely guarantees snag-free sheeting.

    Good luck!

    Arne


  • 16 Aug 2019 18:46
    Reply # 7831762 on 7803658

    Sally,

    I'm interested to hear that you've downsized to a Freedom 21, they're neat little boats. If Jami's sail should turn out to be a no-go for any reason, may I put forward a possible alternative? I've been happy with my wingsail this summer, and after I've done a few upgrades this winter, that'll be a keeper. So, the sail I used for the previous two summers will become available. It's 22 sq m, with battens and yard included. I'll have to fix some chafe, and it's a bit faded, with 3,000 miles on the clock, but it's still very strong. It's made from Clipper Canvas.

    https://junkrigassociation.org/technical_forum/3858224

  • 16 Aug 2019 19:34
    Reply # 7831846 on 7803658

    Hi David, I have a Hunter Liberty 23 cat ketch Bermudan rig that I am considering re rigging to junk rig. I want a single sail but wonder if the mainmast position would have to move aft on my boat to balance the helm with a junk rig ? Other than that I am interested in your sail

    regards Billy

  • 17 Aug 2019 10:11
    Reply # 7833251 on 7831681
    Anonymous wrote:

    Hi, Sally

    Since I had Jami’s sail in my pc, it was a quick job to fit six of the seven panels onto a Freedom 21 drawing. It looks good to me. The sail may need to be pulled just a bit aft from my drawn position  -  or maybe not.

    The mast of the Freedom has a bit aft rake (2°), but that should be no problem. You may pull the top of the sail aft so the luff and leech sit parallel with the mast. This surely guarantees snag-free sheeting.

    Good luck!

    Arne


    Thanks for doing that Arne, it looks fine to me as well.  We've yet to hear back from Jami, but I expect he is busy sailing!
  • 17 Aug 2019 16:47
    Reply # 7833569 on 7803658

    Hello Sally and anyone else interested in the sail.

    Regarding the battens and yard, I’m pretty sure there is no point in sending 4000mm tubes abroad. The price would probably be one or two fortunes.

    Of course I’m not the one to say what is reasonable for other people, but this is my hunch anyway.

    I’ve had some offers and I welcome others, too. I’m still trying to make up my mind about whether to sell the sail, try to sell the whole boat, or try to find some other solution (adding a jib maybe).

  • 17 Aug 2019 23:03
    Reply # 7833854 on 7803658

    Hi Jami,

    Your sail and boat and now wind vane steering are an inspiration, for me. Could you tell us something about why the boat and rig does not meet your needs? Everything looks great from where I am.

    Scott.

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