US junk Rigged sloop

  • 21 Mar 2020 20:54
    Reply # 8847201 on 8797011

    Hello all,

    This, my first post, is to introduce myself and let you know that I have just purchased Quest.  Like several of you, I have lingered over the Yachtworld listing for a while, and finally decided to go for it.  I flew East from California, got a survey that reassured me that her hull is sound, wrote checks, tried to pay close attention to the long-time owner's information, and started the re-documentation and trucking arrangements on my way through Boston Airport and back to California.  I arrived back here just in time for the Bay Area "shelter in place" regulations, which are now statewide due to Coronavirus. Quest is supposed to arrive in California in ten days, a trip that will involve a couple of different trailers and trucks.  She may be on the hard for a while, while the pandemic runs its course; at 74, although hardy, I need to be cautious. My sailing experience includes a mostly double-handed circumnavigation, but I have only sailed once on a junk: a heavy steel Colvin, where I couldn't lift the yard off the sail bundle with the halyard.  At 5'10", and with a smaller boat, lighter rig, and self-tailing winch, I hope to have a few years with Quest, in San Francisco Bay and the Delta, as well as Southern California's Channel Islands.  Though the previous owner had Quest since 1996, re-rigged with a "kit" from Robin Blaine and Alan Boswell around 2003 or so, and is amenable to answering my many questions, I know I will be asking lots of questions here, too.








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  • 07 Mar 2020 20:35
    Reply # 8808026 on 8804084
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    Anonymous wrote:

    David,

    From the details:   "The tapered aluminum mast is in made of 6061 aluminum alloy with a wall thickness of 1/4" and a height from the deck of 38'8" and from the water line, 42'11'

    No word on mast diameter.  I agree that the first boat buying rule I learned (the hard way of course) was to sail a season before making changes for anything other than safety. 

    To me, the only think "necessary" are lifelines.  Maybe a boom gallows.

    In the USA a 6061 tapered pole would be unusual. Maybe in 1974 they were made? These days all the flagpoles, lighting poles, etc I've researched were 6063. 6061 is stronger with yield strength around 35,000 psi; 6063 around 23,000 psi.

    Possibly the builder fabricated a pole by combining lengths and the base at the deck is 6061. That'd be the ideal. Only the builder knows for sure.

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  • 06 Mar 2020 18:37
    Reply # 8804084 on 8797011
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    David,

    From the details:   "The tapered aluminum mast is in made of 6061 aluminum alloy with a wall thickness of 1/4" and a height from the deck of 38'8" and from the water line, 42'11'

    No word on mast diameter.  I agree that the first boat buying rule I learned (the hard way of course) was to sail a season before making changes for anything other than safety. 

    To me, the only think "necessary" are lifelines.  Maybe a boom gallows.

  • 06 Mar 2020 17:00
    Reply # 8803893 on 8797011

    SA/D of 15.7 is not bad for a cruising boat, and there's a generously-sized diesel for those light airs to windward. Looking at the photos, it appears by eye that the sail is big enough. There's plenty of drift for the halyard, it's true, so another panel on the foot is a possibility, but the mast looks a bit slender (is the diameter known?). I'd sail for a summer before considering major changes. I always like to get the most power that I can out of a given area by optimising camber, rather than just piling on more area.

  • 06 Mar 2020 13:04
    Reply # 8800745 on 8797011
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    David (Dawes),

    With a sail area lists at 529 sq ft and a displacement (of the Atkin "Tern) of 12,500, the boat has a ratio of 15.7.  I think it is definitely under canvased. 

    Is there hoist room to add another lower panel?

    Any thoughts from those who (unlike me) know what they are talking about?


  • 06 Mar 2020 12:30
    Reply # 8800716 on 8797011
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    Robert,

    It is a converted Atkin "Tern".  That is where I got the displacement information.

    Dennis

  • 06 Mar 2020 03:00
    Reply # 8799997 on 8797011
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    Anonymous wrote:

    I should not even be thinking of buying another boat, but this one is not that far from me and life is short.  Alan Boswell designed the rig, the boat design is solid and the price is right.  I am concerned about the flexible battens.  I would want to add lifelines ASAP.  What are you observations?

    https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/custom-atkins-with-junk-rig-3482670/


    Dennis

    This could be quite a find if you are looking for a relatively heavy older design.

    Is this a William Atkins design and which one?

    In the Puget Sound area the W. Atkins inspired/designed Tally Ho Major is built in fiberglass as the Cape George 31 a locally well-regarded cruising design.....and this boat is already junk rigged, sail and mast look to be in the correct position with respect to lead and weather helm and at around $1 per pound (assuming you've got the weight right) that's a good price if survey doesn't show major problems.

    I think I'll keep my eye on this one myself!

    Good luck.

    robert self

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  • 05 Mar 2020 16:57
    Reply # 8798953 on 8798668
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    Anonymous wrote:

    David (Dawes),

    Thank you for the info.  I am in Redding Ct, but have friends living in Jamestown.  Where are you keeping your Badger?  I would love to see it and maybe get a chance to go out       one day as  have never sailed on a junk rig. 

    As I have no dreams of far off shores (unless you count Block or Maine) Quest may suffice.  I will know more if and when i see it.


    Dennis I am in Newport RI but my new to me Badger is still frozen in VT at Lake Champlain.  Work and logistics prevent me getting her down by truck or via the Hudson River til June.


    Watch this space!



  • 05 Mar 2020 14:32
    Reply # 8798668 on 8797011
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    David (Dawes),

    Thank you for the info.  I am in Redding Ct, but have friends living in Jamestown.  Where are you keeping your Badger?  I would love to see it and maybe get a chance to go out       one day as  have never sailed on a junk rig. 

    As I have no dreams of far off shores (unless you count Block or Maine) Quest may suffice.  I will know more if and when i see it.

  • 05 Mar 2020 14:04
    Reply # 8798632 on 8798596
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    Anonymous wrote:

    David,

    You are correct, I misspoke.  What I don't know is how they are hinged and from what I have read here, they are a vulnerability. 

    I have checked out a number of YouTube videos of the boat, but none show it sailing under other than blissful conditions. The video show a brief glimpse of Boswell's sail plan.  I would like to get a copy to see if it is sufficient to drive a boat of that displacement (est. 12,500lbs)

    If I have time, I will go out to the Vineyard and inspect the boat personally. 

    As a benchmark, a badger has quoted 600sq feet on a quoted 10400 lb hull.  But I believe my Badger is more 12500 as well . Quoted sail area to displacement ratio from Benford is 20.15.  Quest has 529 sq feet.

    She's in New England notorious for light winds.  She may be a bit under canvassed.

    Lovely boat.  Not sure if full headroom.  I would have looked at her but I wanted blue water instead of coastal.  

    Weather is extraordinary up here at the moment!  Worth a trip to see her.  Good luck!

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