Dead diesel. Electric?

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  • 01 Oct 2011 12:57
    Reply # 712981 on 706393
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    As it turns out, electric has been eliminated from the running. I will be taking the head off the yanmar probably this weekend, hoping to find one or more burned valves. If not that, I will continue the excavation, looking for damaged rings, piston, or cylinder bore.
    A yuloh is most tempting. It seems likely that I will build one, but this smelly diesel is already in here, I'd might as well make it run. That, and some lights, and I'll have a boat to launch come spring. Everything else is secondary.
  • 01 Oct 2011 11:36
    Reply # 712964 on 710357
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    Annie Hill wrote:A couple of days ago I had the very good fortune to spend a night aboard 'mehitabel', with Kurt and his family.  We had lots of wide-ranging conversation which included the ' boat's electric motor installation, amongst many other topics.  Kurt powers it by wind generator and solar panels and reckons that in 'normal' conditions - ie, partly cloudy and not very windy, he gets enough power for about an hour's motoring per day.  He backs up with a Honda gen set. 

    We also discussed the sense of having a yuloh where the boat's auxiliary is electric.  This (as well as being even quieter) would in effect be an auxiliary auxiliary, for conditions of flat calm and no current.  An hour's healthy exercise :-) on the yuloh should achieve a couple of miles made good, leaving power in the battery for occasions of adverse current, or headwind and confined spaces.  I'm sure that Kurt will post more and more cogently shortly.


    The yuloh on Easy Go is a little over twenty feet long using Slieve's design criteria. Our design is for four feet of freeboard. I have thought of an electric motor but using the sails, yuloh and kedge have met all our needs. Oh yea, one needs a good dose of patience as well. A yuloh for auxillary power is the most appropriate junk auxiliary power and if designed properly is not much of a work out. Looking forward to hearing more about electric motors/batteries and how they are improving.
  • 01 Oct 2011 08:41
    Reply # 712945 on 706393
    Regarding Beta, I must second David here. I have only heard good things about Beta. While my own engine is Mitsubishi I know quite a few people who have Beta and who have nothing but praise for the product. Should I ever need to replace my current engine and should I stick with diesel, I'll almost certainly install a Beta. However when that time comes, I am pretty sure that I am going to go the electric route.
  • 01 Oct 2011 06:46
    Reply # 712907 on 706393
    In defence of Beta:
    Mine, on Tystie, has served me well for 11 years and 3000 engine hours. The marinising is of high quality, and servicing is convenient. All I have to do is to give it oil, water, filters and belts when it needs them. Apart from that, I got the injectors serviced at 2000 hours. Whenever I have had problems, it has been through some failure of mine.
    Even a good engine can be made into a bad engine by bad installation, which it seems to me is what you are suffering from, John.
  • 30 Sep 2011 13:15
    Reply # 712310 on 711149
    Jeff McFadden wrote:Kurt, The 30 foot yuloh has to be for Mehitabel too... that's longer than Fantail.
    Since I started another thread about Seablossom I think that's all I'll say on the subject here and not get too scattered out. Presuming I'm not already
    . Jeff

    Don't buy a Beta. The Kubota engine is brilliant but the marinising by Beta is rubbish, to put it mildly. Mine broke the first time out because of faulty fitting by T S Marine, Universal Shipyard, River Hamble. It has  now seriously overheated owing to running low on water after only 40 hours. Customer service is rubbish. They even sent TS Marine to try and fix it. Unable to find the oil leak or water leak and I got a £100 bill the day after. The second time they haven't been able to fix the engine. You have been warned. John
  • 28 Sep 2011 23:44
    Reply # 711149 on 706393
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    Kurt, The 30 foot yuloh has to be for Mehitabel too... that's longer than Fantail.
    Since I started another thread about Seablossom I think that's all I'll say on the subject here and not get too scattered out. Presuming I'm not already
    . Jeff
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  • 28 Sep 2011 21:08
    Reply # 711042 on 706393
    Hello Jeff and all,

    (Enlisted by Annie, how can I say no? She's got me designing a 30 foot yuloh in exchange for the sin of having no Jester pram hood!)

    The electric drive in mehitabel replaced a 20HP Bukh diesel. It would be a joy to create a system for a boat the size of Seablossom. It's been a mission for us, with a 12 tonne boat to propel, but a good mission. The motor and controller we have now weren't invented when I began. We carry the prior system as a spare now, like a standby diesel. Crazy.

    After quite a lot of study, PropulsionMarine has my vote for a ready-made system, and support.
    I  warn against Kelly Controller components from sad (smoking) experience.
    Sevcon Gen4 controllers and Motenergy motors are much much better, and I can say good things about Thunderstruck Electric Vehicles (Brian and Mark) and ElectricMotorSport (Raul) as suppliers and controller programmers.

    It is obviously possible to buy components and invent the simpler parts of your own system. It isn't exactly rocket science, but it isn't everyone's choice for fun. 

    PropulsionMarine has shown up at a time when the controllers and motors are simply excellent, and their approach is smart and admirable. And their focus is boats, not cars, bikes, robots, racing...

    Note that only brushless electric motors are legal in the USA & Canada unless the boat has no volatile fuels (gasoline, propane...) aboard.

    Junk Rig and electric drive go together well. In a small boat, exceptionally well.

    Pleased to meet you, George.

    Cheers,
    Kurt
  • 28 Sep 2011 03:59
    Reply # 710357 on 706393
    A couple of days ago I had the very good fortune to spend a night aboard 'mehitabel', with Kurt and his family.  We had lots of wide-ranging conversation which included the ' boat's electric motor installation, amongst many other topics.  Kurt powers it by wind generator and solar panels and reckons that in 'normal' conditions - ie, partly cloudy and not very windy, he gets enough power for about an hour's motoring per day.  He backs up with a Honda gen set. 

    We also discussed the sense of having a yuloh where the boat's auxiliary is electric.  This (as well as being even quieter) would in effect be an auxiliary auxiliary, for conditions of flat calm and no current.  An hour's healthy exercise :-) on the yuloh should achieve a couple of miles made good, leaving power in the battery for occasions of adverse current, or headwind and confined spaces.  I'm sure that Kurt will post more and more cogently shortly.
  • 25 Sep 2011 06:10
    Reply # 707730 on 707548
    Jeff McFadden wrote:George R -

    Did you choose your gearing first & then convert to the appropriate prop later?

    Second, how did you get all this stuff out to a mooring - and an old diesel back?

    Third, what sort of small frame did you build for the lifting?

    Jeff

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     The main reason I went with a complete system was the expertise that came with it. I am not that electrical motor sailboat savvy, there are very few people that are. The Propulsionmarine system uses a Browning industrial reduction gear which is used as a thrust bearing and the electric motor mount. I think it normally would run a conveyer belt 24/7 or something like that. It comes in many ratios and James over at Propulsion marine has been doing emperical tests in the water for different configurations  and can match the hull with the proper ratio and prop( which have to match the motor and the programmed motor  controller), I knew what it would take before I started. Everything has to work together effeciently as a system.  James (propulsionmarine)has a lot of comprehensive information on his various web sites and he has his own electric sailboat as a testbed which he actually sails. Google "electric boat design". Again, I am not affiliated with Propulsionmarine but it is the only place I found that tries to explain the basics.
       Other than the batteries there is no one component that weighs over 50# so I used my dinghy and battery powered tools. For engine removal  and batteries I towed to a dock and used an elevated beam and block and tackle to slide the old engine off and the batteries in.
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  • 24 Sep 2011 20:14
    Reply # 707548 on 706393
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    George R -

    Did you choose your gearing first & then convert to the appropriate prop later?

    Second, how did you get all this stuff out to a mooring - and an old diesel back?

    Third, what sort of small frame did you build for the lifting?

    Jeff

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