The only time I would ever dream of mixing up a batch of epoxy that big is when I'm coating or laying down fibreglass.  Why would you?  It takes about 15 seconds to pump the epoxy and one minute to mix it.  I cannot see the point of 'saving time' when it means that you are putting yourself under pressure to get the mix out of the container and on to the wood.  If you run out of glue half way through the job, it's vaguely irritating to have to go and mix up some more; if the epoxy starts going off it's a recipe for disaster. As you pointed out, the first thing that goes through your mind is the cost of wasting it, so you are inclined to use it anyway, even though the pot is getting hot and the mix thickening while you use it.  The cost of this pot of epoxy (which is actually, a lot cheaper in real terms than it was 40 years ago) is nothing compared with your peace of mind after the event (did you achieve a decent glue joint?) and, in the worst case, the piece of wood that has to be removed as there are big gaps in the joint because the epoxy had gone hard before it squeezed out.

I am not renowned for throwing money around, but even I will ditch half a pot of epoxy rather than risk a sub-standard joint.  However, the secret of success is, when in doubt, mix less.  Frankly, I think it's easier to mix another batch than to faff around with iced water, which I would undoubtedly tip all over the wood I'm about to glue!

Anonymous wrote:mistakes with epoxy. With the temperature back to a more reasonable dry 68 Deg F yesterday I thought it would be OK to mix up four 'pumps' of West System epoxy at once. I was wrong! About half of it 'went off' in the cup and turned rock hard while I was spreading epoxy. I am trying not to think about how many dollars worth of epoxy I used to make this cup-shaped yellow disk. I will make smaller batches and spread them thin as soon as I can in the future.

An icecream bucket of ice to put your mix bucket inside may help. Also, using a more bowl shaped mix container helps (to keep the epoxy spread out thin to stay cool). I have used a take out salad dish for a lot of stuff like this. I have also seen people put the epoxy into paint trays (there are cheap paint tray liners that can be tossed when there is too much hard epoxy in them to be used any more) to keep things cooler.

David W wrote:

[...] The additional area of bond created by the fiberglass is also an addition to your safety factor.

All the best with the project, David.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. Thanks also to David T. for the details regarding Weaverbird.

I will think about fiberglass between layers, running up the hull, and large fillets at the top.

I am trying to convince myself, one way or the other, that my reworked six-layer mast step is 'good enough' or 'not good enough'.

There is more than 12" x 12" of potential bonding area and it is a much better fit than my first attempt. But I still think there is more than 4mm gap between the beveled edges and the hull in several places -- and some gaps between layers where I made mistakes.

I am considering adding two more beveled layers. Each layer would need to be made in two pieces if I want to avoid cutting up the hull liner. I want to avoid cutting up the hull liner.

Keep thinking or keep working? I never know which one to pick.

Thank you David W.

I worked through the math following your advice. I assumed a 22 sqm sail with the COE at 15.0 feet LAP and the top of the mast step at 2.5 feet below the partners.  The result was 1420.848 lbs for the force and 142 square inches minimum contact area. This is roughly equivalent to a 12" x 12" area. I expect I will have at least this much on just one side of the hull. I should end up with double the needed area. I think this may be enough for the '[...] safety factor and peace of mind'.

I have more significant problems with the way I was trying to fit the plywood layers as a mast step. I am reworking the pieces and hopefully making properly beveled plywood layers this time after some very gracious help from Arne.

Scott.

>>> area_m2 = 22.0

>>> area_ft2 = area_m2 * 10.764

>>> force_lbs = area_ft2 * 15.0 / 2.5

>>> force_lbs

1420.848

>>> min_in2 = force_lbs / 10

>>> min_in2

142.0848

>>> min_square_side_inches = pow(min_in2, (1.0/2.0))

>>> min_square_side_inches

11.9199328857171