The 'Haybox' & other composting toilets

  • 01 Nov 2012 21:52
    Reply # 1120679 on 679928
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    Flutterby has been using a Nature's Head for over four years now, and I've got no desire to go back. (Unfortunately it is TALLER than the original head and I have yet to rebuild the shelf raising the floor in that compartment to compensate for that. So it is a little too high comfortable use...one more thing on my job list below rigging my sails!)

    I've used "peat moss" which (at least here in the US) isn't actually dug out of a peat bog, but is something else entirely (spagnum moss? Not sure...) and not such an unsustainable solution.

    I've also found compressed bricks of coconut coir and it works well, although it is harder to find here in the US. The last time we got any, we ordered it over the internet and paid as much as shipping as we did for the product. Fortunately they are compact enough to make storing a year's supply seem feasible unlike the "peat moss"

    I do find that for two of us aboard full-time the liquids need to be dumped almost daily, and the "compost" needs to be dealt with every month or two. I've buried it in the woods, dumped it overboard, and just put it in a trash compactor bag (strong and not too big) and thrown it away in a marina dumpster when no other option presented itself.

    Barry
  • 01 Nov 2012 01:20
    Reply # 1119994 on 679928
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    Yes, I will be experimenting with the composting medium. I was communicating with the C-head chap, he was still experimenting! 
    I have a large pile of sawdust, but theoretically that shouldnt work, as it is from kiln dried timber, too dead. Though it will work as "covering up" medium, but thats not really the point.
  • 31 Oct 2012 23:48
    Reply # 1119967 on 1119952
    Annie Hill wrote:While I like the idea of a composting toilet, I'm not too sure how well it works for a full-time liveaboard.  Where do you dump the 'compost', which is very new, to put it politely?  What do you use for composting and how do you find space for it?  Using peat is out of the question for me, because it is not sustainable.
    NZ has rules for the discharge of marine toilets, a certain distance offshore, not near beaches etc - too-new compost is just the same in principle, but with the timing optional, as for a holding tank. 

    People use many different media - leaf debris, sawdust, wood shavings, coconut fibre, grass clippings... use your initiative! I guess you might rake up some good stuff under a Ti tree. I've read that a cubic foot of fibre is enough for a year.

    I've read some very positive reports from live-aboards. The most imporrtant point is that you can spend a long time moored in a "no discharge" zone without having to get rid of solid waste.
  • 31 Oct 2012 23:22
    Reply # 1119957 on 1119952
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    Annie Hill wrote:Where do you dump the 'compost', which is very new, to put it politely?  What do you use for composting and how do you find space for it?  Using peat is out of the question for me, because it is not sustainable.

    My plan is a/ dump 2nm offshore or b/ in plastic bag into a bin. I think I'd only need to dump it once every month or two. For composting, hydroponic stores sell coir - coconut husk, for a start.
  • 31 Oct 2012 23:05
    Reply # 1119952 on 679928
    While I like the idea of a composting toilet, I'm not too sure how well it works for a full-time liveaboard.  Where do you dump the 'compost', which is very new, to put it politely?  What do you use for composting and how do you find space for it?  Using peat is out of the question for me, because it is not sustainable.
  • 31 Oct 2012 10:20
    Reply # 1119540 on 679928
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    Drat, these composting toilets sound really interesting but having installed a Lavac flushing toliet, holding tank, expensive pipework and valves on Malliemac I feel I must use what i have fitted at least until the first blockage and maybe then I could be persuaded to make the change. This is the problem with taking years to build a boat. New and better ideas come along after you have made your choice and fitted it.
  • 31 Oct 2012 05:35
    Reply # 1119197 on 679928
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    For those who are interested in this topic we have had an Airhead composting toilet in Footprints for a year now. I would have to say that it is the best marine toilet I have come across in my 40 plus years of boating experience which includes 10 years of operating bareboat charter fleets, so I could tell quite a few marine toilet stories. The installation of the Airhead is simple, it takes up no more real floor space than a chemical toilet and is simple to operate. With our casual use of the boat we have had to empty the composting bowl only once in that year. The 8 litre urine container I find needs to be emptied once every 24 hours with the 3 of us on board. I thought of designing and building my own marine composting toilet but in the end decided to pay the money and get all the design refinement that a manufactured toilet provides. The Naturehead is almost identical to the Airhead, is a little cheaper but requires more floor area. The C Head looks interesting and had I known about that when I bought the Airhead maybe I would have bought one of those instead. The simple sawdust toilet would also work very well in a boat but it is good to be able to separate out the urine and get rid of it. Also an extractor fan is good to get rid of any potential odours inside the boat.
  • 30 Oct 2012 11:50
    Reply # 1117379 on 1117364
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    Gary Pick wrote:
    Gary are you working to a design or designing your own?
    I'm copying what natures head, airhead and C-head are doing as well as ideas picked up from forums.

    Not sure how its going to work out though.
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  • 30 Oct 2012 10:30
    Reply # 1117364 on 852239
    Gary King wrote:Not huge fan of porta potties. In preparation for our build, I have accumulated:

    a 20L bucket, 
    an oval shaped funnel, 
    a paint mixing implement, 
    5L plastic petrol can 
    and a basic toilet seat/lid. 

    The funnel fits perfectly the curve of the inside of the bucket, so theres the separation of liquids/solids taken care of.
    Left to buy is some pvc piping and computer fans for the ventilation.
    Not sure about the source of peat moss here in Aus. The stuff from Bunnings has potting mix bacteria in it, which the wife says is not the right stuff.

    Gary are you working to a design or designing your own?
  • 30 Oct 2012 06:13
    Reply # 1117186 on 679928
    Earlier in this topic, I said that cleaning out the pump on my Lavac toilet was the least favourite job on th boat. Well, I've just done it again, and even though I'd made it easy on myself by having a spare top of the pump, including the valves, ready to go, I do now most solemnly and sincerely affirm that it's the last time I'm ever going to do it.
    Also, the flexible holding tank has split, due to me pummeling it to dislodge the hard scale and clear blockages, so I had to take it out, and rig a hose straight from the pump to the hull outlet. Sounds simple, but the whole exercise took all day, and left me exhausted. I poured myself a measure of rum that erred on the upper side of being generous. 

    I'm going to join the composting brigade. When I get to Hawai'i, I'll see if I can get an Airhead sent across.
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