The 'Haybox' & other composting toilets

  • 13 Mar 2014 19:02
    Reply # 1517163 on 679928
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    I am planning a mouldering separating dry toilet, mouldering because there won't be enough time for composting anything.
    I have retained the idea of the coconut fibers. Just need to find out if they are available here. Maybe wood shavings are OK too for keeping the smell low.
    I am going to use a 3 gallon bucket, a 1 gallon milk jug and another 1 gallon container as the funnel for the liquid.
    I won't have any churning mechanism in the bucket.
    The bucket have a snap-on lid and is 12" tall.
    Carrying the bucket with the lid on to a shore dumping place is not a problem and there is no further handling necessary.
    The toilet seat hole is 10" long and will have a 4" overlap on the 11" inside diameter bucket. The 6" diameter funnel will be external to the bucket, located immediately in front of it and not attached to the bucket. The funnel and tank assembly will be held in place with wooden cleats.
    The wooden housing will be made from a 1/2" plywood base, 3/4" tongue and groove pine 15" tall. The housing is 20" long, 14" wide. The seat height is 15". The housing's corners are cut to fit the 12" OD bucket and the 6" funnel.
    The funnel made from a 1 gallon container will be cut to shape (sloping down aft) and fastened upside down to the 1 gallon container for the liquid. I will glue the two caps together and drill a hole through both caps to connect them.
    The bucket will be rotated inside the housing to avoid accumulation on one side.
    I am planning to use the toilet only in places where there is no alternative.
    Offshore and in places where there is no issues I'll keep using a bucket.
    In compulsory marinas I'll use the shore facilities.
    We have been cruising for a few years living full time as a family of 4 then 5 and always used a bucket (or 2).
    A plastic 3/4l yogurt pot makes a good urinal in most situations. Draining through the sink is no problem.
    I'll post a drawing and pictures once it's done and let you know how it goes if there is any interest.

    Cheers

    Thierry
  • 13 Mar 2014 18:15
    Reply # 1517121 on 1462352
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    Annie Hill wrote:Has anyone every heard of such a thing?  I've heard of cows being fed all sorts of things that no self-respecting cow should have to swallow, but didn't know that people fed wood to horses!



    Annie,

    my donkeys have eaten a lot of bark from certain trees this winter because I fed them (old) hay they did not like. They like to chew on and eat rotten wood too.

    Thierry
  • 28 Dec 2013 23:39
    Reply # 1464448 on 1464430
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    Gary Pick wrote:
    Gary King wrote:
    Gary Pick wrote:Okay next question Gary. How do you empty it, it looks like that handle would be in the way?
    If the hole in the plywood is big enough, and there's a couple inches space behind the bucket, its easy to lift & tilt the bucket and the little stirrer handle recedes back through the hole and the loo completely lifts out. Upside down in a garbage bag and its empty.


    I was going to ask if you then composted the bags contents but realised you are now live aboard. So I am assuming the bag goes in the nearest bin or is emptied at sea?
    yep, the nearest bin.
  • 28 Dec 2013 22:25
    Reply # 1464430 on 1463179
    Gary King wrote:
    Gary Pick wrote:Okay next question Gary. How do you empty it, it looks like that handle would be in the way?
    If the hole in the plywood is big enough, and there's a couple inches space behind the bucket, its easy to lift & tilt the bucket and the little stirrer handle recedes back through the hole and the loo completely lifts out. Upside down in a garbage bag and its empty.


    I was going to ask if you then composted the bags contents but realised you are now live aboard. So I am assuming the bag goes in the nearest bin or is emptied at sea?
  • 26 Dec 2013 22:01
    Reply # 1463719 on 1458729
    Annie Hill wrote:I should like to have an effective composting toilet, but the space where my sea-toilet is presently located is tiny.  …  More than anything, however, I want something that doesn't smell.  i suspect it would need to be vented.

    Hi Annie,

    Sorry this reply took so long!

    As far as smells, and having no vent, on my boat it's only an issue when the cover over the solids side is opened. I find the smell far less than that from "Porta potties" when their door is opened for use. Other people have reported to me that they are surprised that there is "no odor" (their words) inside the boat. When the weather is hot, it's helpful to empty the bucket about once a week; three weeks of use in hot weather gets more noticeable when you open the cover. The interior of the cabinet developed some odor over long use; I think that the plastic parts probably need to be swapped out every couple of months, to air and then be swapped back with the other set.

    Actual composting doesn't happen much in the container – the expectation of a boat-size composting head is that the solids will be transferred to a larger arrangement on shore for complete composting (or dumped elsewhere). But the beginning of a composting environment makes it much less smelly than non-composting head versions.

    You could use any size bucket that would fit your space, to do this. Tall but narrow seems like it might be helpful? The key is the separation from urine, and cellulose-type material in the bucket and to cover the poo. A smaller container would just mean that you would have to empty it more often. A number of years ago, on a different boat, I used the "sea kayaker method," involving separation from pee, and a 2 L plastic food storage container with a tight fitting press-on cover. This was not smelly when sealed, but nasty when opened – it has since occurred to me that the same system with a slightly larger container and proper dry materials would be much better, even on a kayak. I'm not really suggesting this system for a larger boat – it's pesky, in practice, if it's not needed – but a small rather than a large bucket, and a funnel for diverting urine, could be done pretty compactly. It's the snug cover over the bucket, however that's arranged, that means you can get away without a vent.

    That's great that New Zealand is friendly toward composting heads! As for dumping the pee in the enclosed ponds, it's probably true that one gallon would not matter. It's partly the principal – if every one of every boat that came in there did the same, in those crowded places it probably would be noticeable. But also, when I pour out those jugs in regular, open water, there's a big cloud that goes into the water, and chunks of salts. God knows what that means about my kidneys… but at any rate, it does feel better to refrain while in those tight places with such beautiful clear water.

    Cheers,

    Shemaya

  • 25 Dec 2013 01:17
    Reply # 1463179 on 1463140
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    Gary Pick wrote:Okay next question Gary. How do you empty it, it looks like that handle would be in the way?
    If the hole in the plywood is big enough, and there's a couple inches space behind the bucket, its easy to lift & tilt the bucket and the little stirrer handle recedes back through the hole and the loo completely lifts out. Upside down in a garbage bag and its empty.

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  • 24 Dec 2013 20:06
    Reply # 1463140 on 679928
    Okay next question Gary. How do you empty it, it looks like that handle would be in the way?
  • 24 Dec 2013 04:18
    Reply # 1462944 on 1462816
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    Gary Pick wrote:
    Gary King wrote:We have a 20L bucket with 6mm galv rod bent into a square wave shape as the stirrer and an oval shaped funnel bolted inside the lip of the bucket as a wee catcher. Drains into 5L plastic petrol can which is emptied overboard every night after dinner. Works perfectly. Cost abut $30.
    1,100 bucks for a commercial bog.. thats how much our two masts cost... (almost)

    Any chance of a diagram mate?
    Your wish is my command:  Diagram here.
    Other pics of the loo here and here.

    Last modified: 24 Dec 2013 05:42 | Deleted user
  • 23 Dec 2013 20:17
    Reply # 1462816 on 1462306
    Gary King wrote:We have a 20L bucket with 6mm galv rod bent into a square wave shape as the stirrer and an oval shaped funnel bolted inside the lip of the bucket as a wee catcher. Drains into 5L plastic petrol can which is emptied overboard every night after dinner. Works perfectly. Cost abut $30.
    1,100 bucks for a commercial bog.. thats how much our two masts cost... (almost)

    Any chance of a diagram mate?
  • 22 Dec 2013 22:04
    Reply # 1462490 on 679928
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    Here's what one supplier says about equine pine pellets.
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