Boat Buying

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  • 20 Sep 2019 16:40
    Reply # 7891183 on 6677159
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Oooh, you are on thin ice, now!

    I have seen quite a few jumping from one half-finished project to the next. Not only do they have to wait forever until they (maybe) get under sail, but they also miss the experience from the previous boat.
    If you finish the one you are working on and only sail it for one season  -  or only a half season, the gained experience will still help you make a wiser choice when taking on the next project.

    Arne

  • 20 Sep 2019 13:48
    Reply # 7890958 on 6688158
    David Th wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    And now I am in love with L'Aviateur 5,7m.

    [...]  whereas the L'Aviateur is the very modern interpretation of what constitutes a seaworthy, and much quicker sail boat. [...]

    I am struggling to find time to do the relatively straight forward work of gluing my mast step into my S2 6.7 project. But yet I still find myself day dreaming about building the 'next' boat. This must be some sort of illness.

    Anyway -- while going in circles thinking about trade offs between Chris Morejohn's designs and trimarans and lifting keel monohulls I found something unexpected. There are now most, or maybe all, of Eric Henseval's Designs available to purchase on on duckworks. This in includes the Aviateur 5.7M Plans. These were not available on duckworks when I looked for them about a year ago.

    Temptation!

    Last modified: 20 Sep 2019 18:30 | Anonymous member
  • 26 Aug 2019 14:01
    Reply # 7849336 on 6677159

    Almost everything I found online suggested that I was foolish to consider towing and launching a boat with a minivan. All the videos were of people sinking their van at the launch or smoking the drive wheels and barely making it out of the water.

    I am happy to report that our 2005 Odyssey had no trouble at all putting our 2200 lbs S2 6.7 into the water and no trouble getting it back out. The wheels got wet but did not slip an inch.

    While the internet is great for self education I think there is a tenancy for discussion to turn negative.

    Edit: I think I should clarify what I said. The discussion here on the JRA forums is not negative! I sincerely appreciate the honest advice from people here with real experience. The negative discussion is on YouTube and certain sailing websites for more general discussion.

    Thanks to everyone here who helped talk me through my boat purchase. 

    Last modified: 29 Aug 2019 02:18 | Anonymous member
  • 24 Oct 2018 19:50
    Reply # 6871951 on 6860958
    Brett Sadgrove wrote:

    OMG David, your building a boat! Cool. I have not been on here for a really long time, so catching up on news


    Yes, silly me. I might start a thread soon because I now have something for people to look at, being a very definite boat-like sculpture.
    Last modified: 24 Oct 2018 19:50 | Anonymous member
  • 23 Oct 2018 00:01
    Reply # 6860958 on 6677743
    Anonymous wrote:

    It seems hard to find just the right boat. As a family we have very much enjoyed our 10 meter 'Footprints'. It has given us numerous coastal holidays and even taken us off-shore. In many ways it is the perfect boat for us as a family. But as I get older and look at reducing costs in the future, and maintenance effort I feel she is bigger than I really want going into the future. 'Footprints' will be sold in the next year or so and I have begun construction of her replacement, an Eco 6 catamaran designed by Bernd Kohler. I had been looking for small boat replacement for quite a while until I stumbled on this design while cruising the internet. It seems to meet most of my requirements for a smaller cruising yacht. I had also been inspired by the book 'Travels with Miss Cindy' which recounts the tale of what is quite a marathon cruise in a 4 meter catamaran. I would have ideally liked a catamaran just a little bit longer, say 7 meters, but this design is the widest catamaran which once completed I can get down my very very long tree flanked driveway.

    Although it is quite a lot of effort to build the new little boat, I will be looking forward to a few years of low cost sailing with minimal maintenance and insurance cost. It is good to remember that the bigger and more complex a boat, the higher the costs of ownership. A boat that can be put on a trailer and taken home for maintenance has a lot going for it.

    So, looking from where I am right now, the question should probably not be 'what is the biggest boat I can afford?', but rather 'What is the smallest boat that will suit my needs?' 

    For someone who wants to live on-board and do some serious cruising Annie Hills Siblim design seems like a very good way to go. But as Annie has found, to get the right boat of this size she has had to build it herself.


    OMG David, your building a boat! Cool. I have not been on here for a really long time, so catching up on news

    If you ever need a hand in doing something, let me know. I’m still in Orewa so close by.

    My dreams of going big fell through and now just sail a dinghy out of Manly Sailing Club, with my boy. Who started last year with Russell Coutts Sailing Academy. 


  • 22 Oct 2018 19:24
    Reply # 6857362 on 6853339
    Scott Yellig wrote:

    I hope to never go anywhere near this far again towing with the van. I also hope I can do something to put a little less weight on the tongue.

    David Tyler -- When I bought this boat I made a deal with myself. I am buying this time but if and when I ever feel the need to have something different in the future I will be building a new boat. I will be keeping an eye on your 7m Siblim development.

    I am starting to draw some sail plans. I expect to start a new thread about a S2 6.7 junk rig conversion soon!

    Thanks again to everyone. 

    Scott.

    Congratulations on your boat purchase. At least you get to go sailing now, and you can get involved in the project of the rig conversion. And it looks like your new vessel should have good sailing performance. Re weight on the tongue when towing - it is often possible to move the position of the axle back or forth on the trailer to adjust the balance point of the load, so this may be a solution depending on how the axle assembly is connected to the trailer. Towing weight on the tongue should normally be fairly minimal. But if you are only going to be towing the boat short distances from now on it may not be a problem going forward.
    Last modified: 22 Oct 2018 19:56 | Anonymous member
  • 22 Oct 2018 14:33
    Reply # 6853339 on 6677159

    Thank you all for your advice and opinions.

    More or less everyone told me not to try moving a ~2000 lbs boat with our minivan. The exception was one person on the Com-Pac 19 forums. I decided to listen to the one person.

    The excellent local mechanic was able to put a transmission cooler on the van with only a few days notice. After that I headed 180 miles south to pick up my new-to-me S2 6.7 Grand Slam. The sales brochure claims the boat weighs 2200 lbs.

    The weather forecast was calling for rain and winds building to 20mph around mid-day. In the photo I attached you can see the rear end of the van was loaded down significantly more that it probably should be but it was not bottomed out completely.

    On the way back home the trees were moving and bending in a way that looked like at least 20mph to me. The wind started out as a cross wind and shifted to be almost a direct headwind about half way home. I could feel the wind pushing on the van and the boat, but moving along at 55mph I never had any doubt that I was in control.

    I love this Traid trailer and the disc brakes. I can see now why the quote I got from Traid a few years ago was such an eye popper. They make a very nice boat trailer. Stopping with the surge brakes was very comfortable. I never had to stomp on the gas to get the rig going.

    When I got back home a friend of mine told me that the 20mph forecast winds actually turned out to be 50mph and the stuff that I thought was heavy rain was actually hail.

    I hope to never go anywhere near this far again towing with the van. I also hope I can do something to put a little less weight on the tongue.

    David Tyler -- When I bought this boat I made a deal with myself. I am buying this time but if and when I ever feel the need to have something different in the future I will be building a new boat. I will be keeping an eye on your 7m Siblim development.

    I am starting to draw some sail plans. I expect to start a new thread about a S2 6.7 junk rig conversion soon!

    Thanks again to everyone. 

    Scott.

    Last modified: 22 Oct 2018 14:34 | Anonymous member
  • 01 Oct 2018 04:34
    Reply # 6700174 on 6699084
    Scott Yellig wrote:

    Thanks, David.

    How is the Eco 6 build going? Do you have a thread here on about it?

    Scott

    No, I don't have a thread going, didn't think it was exciting enough! Although maybe I should do and then all our talented junk rig designers can put their heads together and come up with a workable rig for the boat.

    Like any boatbuilding project it is not coming on fast enough, mostly through not being able to get enough time on it. When I do get a chance to do boat work it progresses quickly. I think the scale of the project is about right, a big enough boat to do some real coastal sailing in, but not too big that it is going to take years to build. My current goal, (Plan A!), is to get all the stringers on both hulls this month, and then maybe the plywood on by Christmas. But along with all that I need to go to work 4 days each week, do a week long haulout on Footprints in November, and make her a new sail cover, look after our 23 acre property, cut down and chop up at least two gum trees for next winters firewood, look after my marriage, spend time with my daughter, and have some fun every now and then. Some thing has got to go, I think I need to stop going to work! 

    Last modified: 01 Oct 2018 04:48 | Anonymous member
  • 30 Sep 2018 08:42
    Reply # 6699084 on 6677159

    Thanks, David.

    How is the Eco 6 build going? Do you have a thread here on about it?

    Scott

  • 30 Sep 2018 05:53
    Reply # 6698991 on 6698712
    Scott wrote:

    About 6 hours later I get a text message saying he 'decided to back out of the deal' and that he wants to keep the boat local.

    It is hard to keep a positive attitude after this.

    Scott.

    You have got to wonder about some people, maybe he didn't really want to sell the boat. Still, keep a positive attitude. In the words of the American Marines when things go belly up - Adapt, & Overcome. Sometimes Plan A doesn't work out, in which case you go on to Plan B. Plan B may not be immediately obvious but something will turn up, and sometimes it is better than Plan A.
    Last modified: 30 Sep 2018 06:03 | Anonymous member
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