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  • 21 Aug 2017 22:35
    Reply # 5040612 on 4992336
    Paul Coster wrote:

    Hi all. I am looking at converting a boat and have looked at Roger Taylor and Ming Ming. I realise this is a mid life crisis but feel its time to challenge myself. Now I am drawn to a junk rig as it appears to be the best option for making sails at reasonable cost and what seems to be a fairly simple mast rejig. (that said I know its likely to be a more complex update)

    Now could I ask if there is a blog/website dedicated to the process. I don't think the wheel needs to be reinvented.......... thus using exiting experience is the way forward. Corribee or Achilles 24 as Roger used are my preferred options. Did he strip boat and reinforce the hull with frames? or is the standard hull suitable? Is there a sail plan?, rigging plan? info on centre of effect and mast step? an all in one build manual?

    I thought asking may save some time? Thanks in advance

    Bonjour

    I'm the owner of Mingming and I translated Roger's books to French.

    The transformation of Mingming to an ocean cruiser was very minimalist and short (see third part of Roger's first book). The main actions were to get a boat waterproof and unsinkable and to add a powerfull self steering device. Additionally the cockpit was reduced in volume to limit the charge of a cockpit full of water (Mingming bailing system is the Corribee standard which is very poor). Mingming rigging and sail is standard basic Hasler. (Flat sails and semi-rigid battens out of PVC pipes reenforced with internal softwood).

    If you have specific questions I'm pleased to answer on or off line.

    I bought Minming to conduct wingsails trials (flexible wingsail with lambda sheeting) but life has turned me out of that projet for the last year. Mingming is grounded near Le Mans in France on her trower. I experienced  lambda sheeting with flexible battens for a few days last year. She is ready to sail....

    Eric



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  • 21 Aug 2017 22:13
    Reply # 5040596 on 4992336

    Paul, I suggest you look at this boat.  It would appear to be a bargain and you could try out sailing a nice junk-rigged boat for very little initial outlay.

  • 18 Aug 2017 16:11
    Reply # 5035499 on 4992336

    Did he strip boat and reinforce the hull with frames?

    No, not on either boat for the sake of the rig. (He did put in collision bulkheads and extra buoyancy.)

    Is there a sail plan?, rigging plan?

    Roger used the "Hasler-McLeod" sailplan for both Mingmings. In the case of Mingming2 he used a unique "hybrid hinge" method to get some camber in the sail. There's some info in his videos.

    info on centre of effect and mast step?

    I expect Roger himself might be the best person to ask for measurements for the Achilles. You can find him in the membership directory.

    an all in one build manual? I thought asking may save some time?

    "Practical Junk Rig" remains an excellent book for details, especially of the Hasler-McLeod rig. I'm not an expert on conversions, so I'll leave that to others. However, if you want to come and take a look at my Coromandel, do get in touch. She's around the Solent this summer. She has a traditional Hasler-McLeod sailplan, straight out of the book. That doesn't mean you should just copy it, but you can certainly learn something by looking at it!

    Richard (called, but not yet chosen)

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  • 18 Aug 2017 16:05
    Reply # 5035491 on 4992336

    Have you thought about buying a Coromandel instead of converting a Corribee? The Coromandel has the same hull but topsides and cabin specially designed for junk rig.

    Roger Taylor inspired me to buy one and I've been very happily improving and strengthening her to do longer solo voyages. You can scroll all the way back through https://tammynorie.wordpress.com/ and read a lot about it.

    There are usually a few around for sale. Junket is one that I know of: https://junketcoromandel.com/2017/06/04/junket-for-sale/

    In any case, I encourage you to go for it. Small junks are enormous fun, inexpensive, and (as Roger Taylor has shown) capable of great things.

  • 25 Jul 2017 00:06
    Reply # 4992820 on 4992336

    Besides Roger Taylor's Youtube videos, which are very informative, have you read his books?  If not, they are well worth the modest investment, packed with practical advice on both the outfitting of his boats and the voyages.  They are also entertaining and evocative.  There was also a PBO article about the creation of Mingming 11.

  • 24 Jul 2017 22:58
    Reply # 4992701 on 4992336
    Anonymous

    Paul

    Search "The making of Mingming II" on youtube - about 10 videos up to launching, then a few more on sea trials and voyages.

    Chris

  • 24 Jul 2017 22:35
    Reply # 4992648 on 4992336
    Paul Coster wrote:

    Hi all. I am looking at converting a boat and have looked at Roger Taylor and Ming Ming. I realise this is a mid life crisis but feel its time to challenge myself. Now I am drawn to a junk rig as it appears to be the best option for making sails at reasonable cost and what seems to be a fairly simple mast rejig. (that said I know its likely to be a more complex update)

    Now could I ask if there is a blog/website dedicated to the process. I don't think the wheel needs to be reinvented.......... thus using exiting experience is the way forward. Corribee or Achilles 24 as Roger used are my preferred options. Did he strip boat and reinforce the hull with frames? or is the standard hull suitable? Is there a sail plan?, rigging plan? info on centre of effect and mast step? an all in one build manual?

    I thought asking may save some time? Thanks in advance

    You've found the website.  If you work through it, read the fora, follow the links, you will find all the information that you need.  If you are looking for a boat of this size, I recommend you look for one that is already junk-rigged, such as a Kinfisher 20+ or 26, or a Coromandel, or any of the boats of similar size listed in the JRA that might possibly be for sale.  (The saying goes that all boats are for sale!) 

    I see you are based in St Ives - there a a few junk-rigged boats in the West Country.  If you look here, you will see some suggestions I made to another member as to how to find out where your local junkies might be. You never know - one of them may be ready to sell their boat. I would also suggest that you make an offshore passage in such a boat, before going to all the work and effort required to "Mingming" a boat.  When it comes to sailing long distances in small boats it's a case of 'many are called, but few are chosen.' Buy a small, JR boat, sail to Brittany and Ireland and having done that, decide whether you really want to go for a bullet-proof, unsinkable boat to take you to Greenland.


  • 24 Jul 2017 19:48
    Message # 4992336
    Deleted user

    Hi all. I am looking at converting a boat and have looked at Roger Taylor and Ming Ming. I realise this is a mid life crisis but feel its time to challenge myself. Now I am drawn to a junk rig as it appears to be the best option for making sails at reasonable cost and what seems to be a fairly simple mast rejig. (that said I know its likely to be a more complex update)

    Now could I ask if there is a blog/website dedicated to the process. I don't think the wheel needs to be reinvented.......... thus using exiting experience is the way forward. Corribee or Achilles 24 as Roger used are my preferred options. Did he strip boat and reinforce the hull with frames? or is the standard hull suitable? Is there a sail plan?, rigging plan? info on centre of effect and mast step? an all in one build manual?

    I thought asking may save some time? Thanks in advance

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