Tenders

  • 30 Jan 2011 01:22
    Reply # 511972 on 508939
    Annie Hill wrote:

    Check out Phil Bolger's 'Nymph'.  She's a little beaut and very light and buoyant.


    I've heard it said that the Nymph is a little bit "tender" to be a good tender, although a good rowing boat. I think there's a lot to be said for a wider flat bottom, when you're heaving stores up onto the deck, or laying an anchor. My "Little Auk"'s flat bottom is 2'8" wide amidships, and carries this back to the transom - she's not too wobbly when your CG is high. I once had a 5-plank dory with the same maximum beam, 3'6", and a bottom width of 1'8", and it was distinctly unstable if you stood up.
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  • 29 Jan 2011 14:00
    Reply # 509667 on 509357
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    David Tyler wrote: Let's not forget the Puddle Duck. It's the most boat you can build under 8ft, the easiest, you can build it different ways to suit your needs.
    And I think I read somewhere that you can put a junk rig on it :-)

    Thanks, David! Another point about the Puddle Duck - there's a picture on one of the Duck groups of a Puddle Duck with 1700 pounds of people on it and plenty of freeboard left. Of course, the people don't exactly fit, they're all in a pile.Unsinkable, too.
  • 28 Jan 2011 21:21
    Reply # 509357 on 489103
    Let's not forget the Puddle Duck. It's the most boat you can build under 8ft, the easiest, you can build it different ways to suit your needs.
    And I think I read somewhere that you can put a junk rig on it :-)
  • 28 Jan 2011 10:43
    Reply # 508976 on 508939
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    Annie Hill wrote: I saw a 'Tender Behind' at a boat jumble the other day.  Quite light and extremely burdensome, with a lot more freeboard than a 'Nutshell'.  It would stick up quite a long way above deck - worth getting the dimensions before committing oneself.  I've hears positive reports of one and it strikes me as a hard chine 'Fatty Knees'.

    My personal advice would be to avoid the 'Nutshell' in spite of the fact that I think her big sister, 'Shellback', is one of the best dinghies ever.  I was shockingly disappointed when I rowed a 'Nutshell' and my friend Gary Underwood, who knows lots about rowing dinghies said likewise.

    Check out Phil Bolger's 'Nymph'.  She's a little beaut and very light and buoyant.

    Dinghies that need to be assembled every time you use them do tend to put one off popping ashore when you've just dropped the hook for lunch.  I speak from first-hand experience on this, and am not alone in this attitude.

    A yacht's tender is an incredibly important piece of equipment and it's worth doing lots of homework before committing.

    Cygnet's a nice, wee spot, isn't it, David?  Have you got yourself to the town a bit further up (whose name escapes me now)?  It's a good, old-fashioned place, with all sorts of interesting people.
    Thanks Annie and David. Really helpful. I now need to see what maximum length dinghy I can accommodate on deck given your advice on having a split dinghy. Back to the drawing board as they say!
  • 28 Jan 2011 06:35
    Reply # 508939 on 489103
    I saw a 'Tender Behind' at a boat jumble the other day.  Quite light and extremely burdensome, with a lot more freeboard than a 'Nutshell'.  It would stick up quite a long way above deck - worth getting the dimensions before committing oneself.  I've hears positive reports of one and it strikes me as a hard chine 'Fatty Knees'.

    My personal advice would be to avoid the 'Nutshell' in spite of the fact that I think her big sister, 'Shellback', is one of the best dinghies ever.  I was shockingly disappointed when I rowed a 'Nutshell' and my friend Gary Underwood, who knows lots about rowing dinghies said likewise.

    Check out Phil Bolger's 'Nymph'.  She's a little beaut and very light and buoyant.

    Dinghies that need to be assembled every time you use them do tend to put one off popping ashore when you've just dropped the hook for lunch.  I speak from first-hand experience on this, and am not alone in this attitude.

    A yacht's tender is an incredibly important piece of equipment and it's worth doing lots of homework before committing.

    Cygnet's a nice, wee spot, isn't it, David?  Have you got yourself to the town a bit further up (whose name escapes me now)?  It's a good, old-fashioned place, with all sorts of interesting people.
  • 27 Jan 2011 23:52
    Reply # 508729 on 489103
    JW's "Tender Behind" and "Sherpa" are so similar to Woodenboat's Nutshell 7'7" and 9'4" that I wonder who copied who? They are all flat bottomed with 3 planks in the topsides. They are all nice boats.
  • 27 Jan 2011 22:50
    Reply # 508710 on 508696
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    David Tyler wrote: I had a short solo row in the Roofrack belonging to "Seabird", and found that it rowed quite well. However, this is the 7'2" version, and all the remarks above apply to this length. There is also a 6'- something version, which will be the one that Anthony is considering, and those remarks may not apply fully.
    I have been looking at John Welsford's website and quite like the look of the 7' 3" 'Tender Behind'. It is not flat bottomed and can carry quite a heavy load. Do you think this, if it fits, would be a better choice.
  • 27 Jan 2011 22:17
    Reply # 508696 on 489103
    I had a short solo row in the Roofrack belonging to "Seabird", and found that it rowed quite well. However, this is the 7'2" version, and all the remarks above apply to this length. There is also a 6'- something version, which will be the one that Anthony is considering, and those remarks may not apply fully.
  • 26 Jan 2011 22:22
    Reply # 508143 on 489103
    The roofrack has to be about the easiest possible dinghy to build, being flat bottomed with no twists in the planking. The topsides are high, so she will carry a big load, but will be slow to row fully laden. I would prefer a more shapely dinghy, but I would perhaps have to pay for that with less carrying capacity. There are many dinghies around 7ft +, I think I would prefer the Woodenboat magazine's Nutshell,  http://www.woodenboatstore.com/77-Nutshell-Pram/productinfo/400-041/   for example - but it would be more work to build, not necessarily more difficult to build.
    Longer is always better in a rowing dinghy, but we always have to work within the constraint of available space. My dinghy, at 9ft, will carry 3, the roofrack 2.
    I would expect the roofrack to be extremely splashy rowing against a chop, with her big bow transom, but my dinghy is also slightly wet, with a much smaller bow transom. Unless you have enough length for a stem dinghy, this will always be true.
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  • 26 Jan 2011 21:56
    Reply # 508122 on 507558
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    David Tyler wrote: As it happens, I'm anchored next to a Kiwi boat in Cygnet, and they have a Roofrack tender. I've put some photos in a 'miscellaneous photos' album in Box.
    Martin has written this about the Roofrack:

    "Some comments on using and building John Welsford’s Roof Rack dinghy.

     

    In use it has proved very practical in that it has carried Seabird’s crew of two with groceries, fuel, water and from time to time folding bicycles. It rows very well for seven foot two inch flat bottomed, pram dinghy. We row everywhere, even into strong trade winds in Noumea; though the ride is wet in strong wind and swell. The cambered fore and aft seat has plenty of buoyancy and allows one to adjust the rowing position according to load carried. I added a third rowing position about half way between the two shown on the plans so that my wife, being much lighter than me, was not compelled to row from the bow when we were both in the dinghy. When harbour sailing we sometimes tow the dinghy, it tows straight and dry at speeds of up to 6.5 knots.

     

    Building a roof rack is quite straight forward, easy enough for the average handy man. It is worth reading JW’s book ‘Backyard Boat Builder’ in order to become fully conversant with his construction technique and to take advantage of the tips he gives there. It took me about three weeks to build our tender. While I am entirely satisfied with the result there are things I would have done better if I had studied the text of John’s book before I had started.

     

    I built a ‘Roof Rack’ because it was the simplest design I could find that would fit on our fore deck and because there was simply nothing available commercially that would do the job of being a heavily used rowing tender to a cruising yacht. We got rid of the Walker Bay that was on the boat when we bought it!

     

    The lack of availability of a good tender is shown by the fact that there are frequently people examining the dinghy when we return from a trip ashore. They ask us a lot of questions about it. One person left his card asking us to e-mail him details of the design.

     

    All things considered building a tender wasn’t a cheap option but the resulting serviceable craft, which is a pleasure to row, was well worth the effort. It is also very satisfying to be able to say “I built it”."


    David, Interesting to read about the roofrack dinghy. As you know I was contemplating building a copy of Little Auk provided it could become a nestable dinghy. The Roofrack is somewhat shorter at some 7'10". This may be better for me. I will have to check how it may fit on the deck. As you have seen one have you any observations and does it look relatively easy and quick to build.
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