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Sourcing Sail Fabric in Western Canada

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  • 21 Jan 2017 16:31
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    Anonymous

    I would like to thank everyone who contributed. A local member I am collaborating with made an inquiry with a local supplier and he will soon be carrying the line for the eastern Canadian supplier I mentioned in Abbotsford B.C. Exciting news. Thanks again.
  • 19 Jan 2017 19:19
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    Anonymous

    There is a forum topic, Good sailcloth for JR, and I should really appreciate it if you guys wouldn't mind reposting on that forum, particularly if you get a sample and decide to use it. 

    One of the first things newcomers to junk rig want to know is what fabric they should be using.  If you put in a search for 'sailcloth' you will get 172, hits and 9,455 for sail material.  So I think it would make life a lot easier for people if they could simply go to the above topic and find the lastest discussions there!  With several of us having been disappointed in Odyssey III, I think it would be great for people to see that there are other, not-too-heavy choices out there.  Thanks.
  • 19 Jan 2017 19:04
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    Jami Jokinen wrote:

    What do you think about this as a Junk sail material?


    I'd get a swatch (sample) of it and have a look, it I were you, but it sounds very similar to Weathermax, to me.  They are both polyester and designed to replace acrylic for the same purpose.
  • 19 Jan 2017 15:25
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    Anonymous member

    it could be a bit on the rigid side – but i intend to use something more or less similar.
  • 19 Jan 2017 14:22
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    Anonymous member

    What do you think about this as a Junk sail material?
  • 12 Jan 2017 07:18
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    Whatever the reason, Odyssey has let down several people.  I have used acrylic (Sunbrella-type) very successfully in the past and was going to go down that track.  However, I think the Weathermax is more supple, making it easier to sew, and has 5 years guarantee against sun damage and fading.  Reading around, it seems to be like acrylic, but slightly better, for the purpose for which it was intended.  As the only fault I could find with acrylic is a tendency to chafe, something that is generally regarded as similar but slightly better would be good enough for me.  The fact that Sebastian has made several sails, for a number of boats, clinched it for me.

    However, until someone has sailed it for several thousands of miles in a variety of latitudes and conditions (as with acrylic) no-one can be sure that it is a suitable cloth.  The JRA seems like a fairly large association, but there are still fewer than 700 of us, of which i doubt 10% are actively sailing any distance.  With these numbers, it takes a while to get a definitive answer to some of the more vexing issues.
  • 12 Jan 2017 05:57
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    I thought that the earlier threads on Odyssey seemed to come to consensus that its mode of failure was primarily due to mechanical stress rather than UV.  Although the two probably aren't independent and the boats that have seen failures are also sailing in areas of higher UV.  UV isn't going to be a problem at 49o North (Vancouver), but it might be nice to have coated sailcloth so that it is easier to clean the algae off!
  • 12 Jan 2017 04:33
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    Thanks everyone .  I am quietly following along.
  • 11 Jan 2017 22:10
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    David Tyler wrote:
    Jami Jokinen wrote:
    Erik and Evi Menzel Ivey wrote:

    I have samples of WeatherMax, Topgun, and Odessy and prefer them in that order.


    Erik

    There seems to be more than one type of Weathermax: 80 coated, uncoated and Weathermax 65.

    The last one is a bit lighter than the 80.

    Is the coating important, and why? 


    The maker's website says that the coating is "Hydromax", and it will be to make the fabric waterproof but still breathable. We don't need that property, but it doesn't do any harm except that the sail will retain rainwater and give you a shower when you hoist it. I believe that it's the higher amount of coating versus the amount of woven cloth in OdysseyIII that is the cause of early failure. Weathermax seems to have less coating, and more woven cloth, which is better for our use. Weathermax 65 would appear to be a good choice for small sails.
    I am always learning, including how to spell Odyssey :).  

    There is no apparent "coating" on the WeatherMax80 and there is no difference between either side of the cloth.  There is also no difference between either side of the TopGun sample I have, but it obviously has a coating.  OdysseyIII is very obviously coated on one side only.  

    For WeatherMax80 the stability along the bias seems to be much more due to the weave compared to the TopGun, OdysseyIII, or resinated sailcloth and I think/hope it will remain stable during the life of the sail.  

    Erik
  • 11 Jan 2017 14:24
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    I am not too worried about sunrot on my latitude (59°N). I will monitor the sails we have made from Odyssey III.

    The sail of Frøken Sørensen has been in use since 2013 without a sail cover, but has been stored indoors during the previous winters. I have also taken care to secure the furled sail bundle to prevent any of the sail from flapping in the wind.

    The sail for Ingeborg has only seen use for one summer yet, and it got a sail cover around Christmas. That sail cover  -  also from Odyssey III  -  was made with the un-coated side up  -  don’t ask me why. Anyway, if a sail cover is used between sailtrips, that should cut UV exposure with over 90%. That is why I try to make the cover super-quick to fit and remove.

    If stress is the cause of Odyssey falling apart, then I have done what I can to avoid it, by doing my best to avoid flutter in the leech and by lacing the ends of the sail bundle firmly before fitting the sail cover.

    Time will show  -  my guess is that the annual UV dose one gets in Stavanger isn’t that high.

    Anyway, the Odyssey cloth was very easy to work with.

    Arne


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