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Head orientation for offshore cruising.

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  • 20 Sep 2016 13:49
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    Annie Hill wrote:
    Scott Dufour wrote:*1 BRW = approximately 2 Real Time Months (RTM) 
    Off thread, apologies.

    But I do like the idea of a BRW.  I could do with similar - a BBW (boatbuilding week).  Considering that I was told I should be "able to knock over such a simple boat in 6 months", I reckon that 1 BBW = 6 Real Time Weeks (RTW)!


    It looks like we end up pretty close - we can probably put a full range around it and call it a Boatwork Week (BwW) = 6 -8 RTW.

    Conversion becomes so simple.  Almost the same ratio as a boat $.
  • 19 Sep 2016 21:07
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    Scott Dufour wrote:*1 BRW = approximately 2 Real Time Months (RTM) 
    Off thread, apologies.

    But I do like the idea of a BRW.  I could do with similar - a BBW (boatbuilding week).  Considering that I was told I should be "able to knock over such a simple boat in 6 months", I reckon that 1 BBW = 6 Real Time Weeks (RTW)!
  • 19 Sep 2016 20:44
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    Scott Dufour wrote:

    I took some measurement of the space available, and it definitely seems like I can design the head facing forward.  In a few boat renovation weeks* (BRW) I should be mocking up the interior of the cabin in big sheets of cardboard and duct tape.  I'll post pictures and ask for feedback, certainly.

    *1 BRW = approximately 2 Real Time Months (RTM) 

    You can do a lot with a small space. The new head on Footprints was built in the space which was previously half of a settee. The actual floor space which I ended up with is very small and has a slight slope on it because it sits partly on the hull, but there is enough floor space for two feet, which is all that is needed. The former backrest for the settee became the front of the vanity cabinet. And the working width between the vanity and the side bulkhead was only enough to fit the Airhead toilet with a bit of elbow room each side. Fortunately all the members of our family are quite slender! There is a pic of the space in my profile photos. - I am not sure how to insert the photo here.
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  • 19 Sep 2016 13:27
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    I took some measurement of the space available, and it definitely seems like I can design the head facing forward.  In a few boat renovation weeks* (BRW) I should be mocking up the interior of the cabin in big sheets of cardboard and duct tape.  I'll post pictures and ask for feedback, certainly.

    *1 BRW = approximately 2 Real Time Months (RTM) 
  • 14 Sep 2016 22:05
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    Scott Dufour wrote:
    We don't regard good grammar as being excessively scholarly on this site!

    The preference for fore and aft facing has been illustrated by Graham's story.  The other important point is that you need to be able to lean against something firm as you dress yourself again.  If this is the door to the heads, then it needs a good solid catch because there will be a short period of time when both hands are likely to be occupied!  It looks as though I'll have to fit my heads athwartships in SibLim as I did on Fantail.  It was no issue in the latter, because there was very little space between the toilet and the locker on the opposite side, but I need to do some thinking about SibLim's arrangement, so that I don't end up hurtling across the boat. 

    I, too, will be using a composting toilet.  And on moving boats, gentleman should always be seated, unless, that is, you wish to approach the toilet in an attitude of supplication!

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  • 14 Sep 2016 16:21
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    I've seen in other forums (deliberately not fora - I'm trying to be less scholarly and more pragmatic in my language lately) that there is a preference to fore and aft facing, which surprises me.  Settees arranged athwartship are decidedly uncomfortable while heeling.  But the head is a place of business, and hopefully a focused and short-duration business at that.  Chart tables also seem more convenient facing fore and aft.

    I'm putting in a composting toilet, which uses bowl geometry to separate the liquids from the usually-not-liquids.  Which requires the operator to be seated, so no standing allowed.  That might simplify design a bit.  I'll probably need to create some stops for the seat to keep lateral loads of the hinges.

    David Thatcher - do you have a diagram of Footprint's interior layout? 
  • 13 Sep 2016 22:38
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    I have a definite preference for facing either fore or aft.  Somehow it seems easier to brace yourself against the motion than when sitting athwartships.  I have been pitched off an athwartships toilet once, when the boat heeled suddenly in a gust of wind, striking the cabin door and somehow opening the catch, so that I rolled into the saloon with my pants around my ankles, much to the amusement of the rest of the crew!
  • 13 Sep 2016 22:28
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    I shouldn't be surprised if you got firmly entrenched and unshakable opinions for both orientations!

    My preference: By the companionway, facing forward - big tick. With vertical surfaces just a little more than shoulder-width apart, when seated, and maybe more width available when standing. Handholds at both ends of the compartment, for when it's "one hand for the ship, one hand for yourself". 
  • 13 Sep 2016 22:10
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    I recently help deliver an Island Packet 37 from Florida to Connecticut.  I was less than impressed by the boats sailing ability, but for head placement, the best in all my years.

    It faced forward sitting port side of the mast.  It was the most stable place on the boat and the mast was there to hold on to if the boat bucked.
  • 13 Sep 2016 21:23
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    Now we really are getting to the important stuff! I don't know that it really matters which way the toilet is facing and it is probably more about how the head best fits into the space available in the compartment and giving space to do all the things needed to be done using the toilet, both standing up and sitting down. And when sea conditions get really rough it is nice to be able to brace yourself so as not to fall off the throne. On Footprints I moved the head from forward to a new head compartment just forward of the chart table and opposite the galley. The space is small with a floor area measuring about 500mm by 400mm after the composting toilet was installed. The head faces aft and there is enough space to get into the head compartment and do everything that needs to be done including turn around, but not enough space to swing even a small cat! The head compartment has worked out well in ocean crossing conditions.
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