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  • 15 Jan 2016 18:48
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    Asmat Downey wrote:

    It may be significant that the rigs aboard Speedwell and Pete Hill's 2 catamarans are low aspect rigs: Reddish types or a unique, wishbone/split junk design in Oryx. Pete Hill ,who designed and built all 3 of these, evidently thinks there are limits to the height of masts stepped in tabernacles.

    It's also worrth noting that the pivot bolt in these designs doesn't pierce the mast, which would weaken it, but passes through a tube fixed to its aft side. Practical Junk Rig gives advice on the design of a tabernacle.

    Have a look at Pete's "Oryx" tabernacle in the photo gallery.

    My gut feeling is that a tabernacle mast could become too tall for proper strength also. In my case, I lean toward low-aspect rigs for another reason. As I have to traverse canals in both directions to leave Lake Champlain, having a short mast is a great advantage. With the boat in question, I would not even need to drop the mast to proceed northbound, as there is 29' clearance. Southbound clearances are significantly lower -- as little as 14', so dropping the mast is necessary. 
  • 15 Jan 2016 09:11
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    It may be significant that the rigs aboard Speedwell and Pete Hill's 2 catamarans are low aspect rigs: Reddish types or a unique, wishbone/split junk design in Oryx. Pete Hill ,who designed and built all 3 of these, evidently thinks there are limits to the height of masts stepped in tabernacles.

    It's also worrth noting that the pivot bolt in these designs doesn't pierce the mast, which would weaken it, but passes through a tube fixed to its aft side. Practical Junk Rig gives advice on the design of a tabernacle.

    Have a look at Pete's "Oryx" tabernacle in the photo gallery.

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  • 15 Jan 2016 00:14
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    I have 1/8th -- a little over 12% of the mast in "bury" in my design. Designing the Sampson post will actually be more complex than the tabernacle. Although it's a fairly light boat, I want the structure tied into the keel and the deck/hull joint. Converting my steel Van De Stadt Vita 30 will actually be simpler. Steel lends itself to more brutal methods than GRP.


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  • 14 Jan 2016 23:44
    Reply # 3759638 on 3753080

    Timothy, tabernacles have been successful aboard Speedwell of Hong Kong, a Vertue that has cruised extensively in the N and S Atlantic Oceans and Catamarans China Moon and Oryx, in which Pete Hill has made passages in the Southern Ocean.

    These wooden tabernacles are keel stepped and project high enough above deck to give adequate support to the mast: at least 10% mast length.

    Asmat


  • 14 Jan 2016 22:03
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Robert.

    This was very interesting.

    Are the CAD sail drawing a "company secret" or would you let us see them? 

    Arne

    No, no secret at all. I downloaded an early version of the excel spreadsheet to the junkrig yahoo site when I was more active there. I'd download it to this JRA site if I knew where to put the file...perhaps in the "members area files"?
  • 14 Jan 2016 20:05
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    Is there any particular reason mast tabernacles are not favored for junk rigs? The one in I recently designed is for a 19' daysailer/weekender that will initially get a balanced lug rig with a flat-cut mizzen offset in the stern. I'm fairly sure that a tabernacle can be designed with most, if not all the strength of a keel-stepped arrangement. There are few advantages to a tabernacle for blue-water cruising. Tabernacles tend to be much more complex in design, and don't save any cabin space, as the part needs to be supported by a "Sampson Post" which is as large or larger than a keel step. The arrangement shines in my particular environment, however. To go anywhere off Lake Champlain, I've got to deal with height restrictions. Quite frankly, stepping and unstepping a keel-set mast is an enormous pain, costly, and takes a lot of planning and delays. With a tabernacle and a gallows, it is possible to drop and raise with relatively simple hardware. Thoughts?


  • 14 Jan 2016 00:40
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    Arne - there is some info in the photo section under his profile.  


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  • 13 Jan 2016 23:55
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    I went over to the water-jet shop today to pick up the parts. They are beautiful. I dropped them at my welder's today, and from there will go for powder coat.  I drove past the place three times, as they don't particularly advertise. I pulled down through the snow on a country road and found a tiny sign on the door that said "Water Jet Shop." The clue was the massive three-phase lines leading in. Jesse, the son of the proprietor, and the current production manager took me in and gave me a good tour. These folks can take up to a 10' x 5' plate and cut to +/- .005. They have a 60 ton press brake as well, and a variety of other tooling. They can subcontract various machining and finishing services. When I get around to designing the mast partners or perhaps a tabernacle for my steel Vita 30, these folk will have the work. 

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  • 13 Jan 2016 20:36
    Reply # 3756943 on 3753080
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    Robert.

    This was very interesting.

    Are the CAD sail drawing a "company secret" or would you let us see them? 

    Arne

  • 13 Jan 2016 17:56
    Reply # 3756551 on 3753080
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    I did the same thing with the panels for my split junk rig fabrication. Created the panels in a spreadsheet then CAD prog including the 1 inch overlap.

    Exported DXF files which were emailed to http://wyckam.com/ in Portland, OR. They are a sailmaker/custom fabric design shop and have a CNC fabric cutter. You can choose the fabric you wish in house or make a quantity buy at another vendor and ship the roll to them.

    This approach to the SJR fab suited me 'cause I did not have access to floor space for lofting. When the individual panels arrived in the mail all I had to do was paste the correct ones together along the 1" overlap with acrylic sticky tape, then sew the seam. All the fabrication (550 ft^2 sail) was done in the small space of the forepeak and salon of a 34 ft sailboat.

    The SJR is especially amenable to small space construction 'cause it's in 3 pieces: jiblets, main, top panel(s) that only come together when battens are installed, i.e. launch day. The 3 pieces are never sewn together so there is no massive single sail (51 m^2 in my case) to deal with.

    robert self


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