Bamboo poles

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  • 12 Aug 2015 06:18
    Reply # 3475756 on 3470047
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    Not much to add re the type of bamboo, but to add to the information, I used aluminium (75 mm, 7.5 mm wall for the yard and boom (already had them, courtesy of the wishbones), 75 x 3.5 for the first batten down from the yard. Had to buy that one, cant remember the price, but it was not all that much pricier than the rest of the battens, which are bamboo 70-80 mm, about $50.00 per 5 metre length (imported species, very dry). In Australia, I think that both aluminium and bamboo would be much cheaper than timber.  

  • 10 Aug 2015 21:57
    Reply # 3473838 on 3470047

    Hi all, even for the best locally-grown Doug fir that I can find, kiln dried (which you wouldnt need), I don't think I'd be charging you more than about a third of that amount for a length of 6x1 3/4 at 12' long. The only prob is that I'm in Scotland. Maybe shop around for your timber? As for bamboo, I'm interested in your question because I am tentatively planning a conversion of our own at the moment (from gaff), and bamboo will be on the list of possible materials to go with wooden masts. The silica "coating" on the bamboos that I have worked with is fantastically hard. I've seen the sections between the joints in bamboos in 2" 50mm thick spars in a 1930's boat bound tight with what looks like heavy whipping twine, and then varnished. This may help to stop the cracking but just like wood it'd benefit from seasoning. If it behaves anything like timber, and I suspect that it does up to a point, then gradual drying over quite a long period (out of direct sun) will make bamboo poles much more stable in the long run and reduce cracking.  All the best, Pol.

  • 08 Aug 2015 21:44
    Reply # 3471168 on 3470047
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    Thank you everyone for your help, I'm on my way.  Richard

  • 08 Aug 2015 06:26
    Reply # 3470424 on 3470047
    Anonymous

     

    Here's a thread on bamboo battens and their treatment.  You can find others by going to the "Members' Area" and using the search box at the top of the page.  Type in Bamboo Battens or Treatment Bamboo Battens to find lots of references.
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  • 08 Aug 2015 03:48
    Reply # 3470315 on 3470047
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    Thank you David!  Great common sense with advice I clearly understand.  You all have been of articulate help to me.  I'll do some homework on my own and revisit you all within a fortnight.  Blessings from under the missing batten.

    Richard

  • 08 Aug 2015 01:23
    Reply # 3470258 on 3470047
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    A friend of mine had a sister ship to my boat and his battens were of bamboo poles, the battens being about 5 meters in length. So far as I know he just used  common bamboo of which there seems to be quite a lot in New Zealand although it is not an indigenous plant species. I have a neighbor along the road who has a grove of bamboo which I have often eyed thinking that the larger diameter poles would make handy battens. My friend had his bamboo poles inside plastic water pipe but I cannot see any advantage to that, it just added weight but no extra stiffness. There have been Forum threads on the treatment of bamboo but it seems to me that if you can find a local source of common bamboo of a suitable diameter give it a try and see if it works. You may find that protected as it is inside a batten pocket there will be no further treatment needed. And being a lower batten there will be not so much bending force on it, unlike with battens further up the sail. 

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  • 08 Aug 2015 01:02
    Reply # 3470257 on 3470047
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    Vincent, thank you for this feedback.  So, three types of bamboo, Moso, Henon, and Guadua, all requirering a certain "treatment" I assume to the outside skin of the bamboo.  Do you know if that would be an oil, or some kind of sealer, like an epoxy sealer? 

    Also, I think I read in Practical Junk Rigs or Derek Van Loan's book, Design and Build your own Junk Rig, that two length of bamboo set head to foot and bound together throughout their length makes for one batten.  My sail has pockets sewn into the sail, so the suggestion is then to slip the two pieces of bound bamboo into the sail pocket and then add a split third piece of bamboo on the apposite outside to bind the inside bamboo, to sail and outer bamboo together as one.  My, my, I'm going bonkers! Somehow though, it seems a better settlement in terms of cost and repair ability.  Break a stick of Ash or Fir and you might end up with wood for the stove.  

    Vincent, again thank you for your thoughts and any others you may have.  I'll see what the growers of bamboo have to say and pass along whatever I learn. 

    With kind regards, Richard

  • 07 Aug 2015 23:17
    Reply # 3470217 on 3470047
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    Hello, I'm no expert on bamboo, but properly treated, quality moso, henon, and guadua bamboo are great for construction timber, so I think for battens (or even smaller masts) they'd be perfect.

  • 07 Aug 2015 22:50
    Reply # 3470213 on 3470047
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    Thanks David for your reply.  The loft where I keep my sail gear is closed at the moment but my guess is that the batten has a diameter of two and one half inches and perhaps a tad larger.  As to the species of bamboo there might be several different types of which I know nothing about.  It is obviously a tall plant and rather stout, but that just a guess.

    I appreciate your support and you quick reply,

    Richard

  • 07 Aug 2015 21:46
    Reply # 3470127 on 3470047
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    That really is expensive for such a small amount of timber, and I thought New Zealand prices were bad. What is the actual finished dimensions of the batten? You could also try some alloy tube instead of bamboo. Someone else may have more knowledge of bamboo but I imagine it is a matter of getting a sufficient diameter so that there is minimal bend, the same with alloy tube. Good luck with it.

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