Electrickery - 60 amp hours 'enough'?

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  • 29 Mar 2015 22:14
    Reply # 3273593 on 3242964
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    Nice one Slieve, thanks.

    I've installed the 100 watts of solar and they're working a treat, even in Cornish rain, of which there is plenty.

    I've been running everything i have and the little battery has not dropped below 12.4 volts overnight, and is back up to 13.6 by lunchtime.

    So i may not even bother with a bigger battery, time will tell.

    Last modified: 29 Mar 2015 22:14 | Deleted user
  • 29 Mar 2015 22:02
    Reply # 3273589 on 3242964

    Matt,

    You asked, " Is there some kind of chart for this? Like 13 volts equals 95%, 12.5 volts equals 80%, 11.3 volts equals 30%, etc..."

    I have always used the following for lead acid batteries -

    At Rest          No Rest          %

    12.8V            12.7V           100%

    12.7V            12.6V            90%

    12.6V            12.5V            80%

    12.5V            12.4V            70%

    12.4V            12.3V            60%

    12.3V            12.2V            50%

    Below that you are damaging your batteries.

    It may not be perfect, but it's a useful starting point.

    Cheers, Slieve.

  • 10 Mar 2015 04:55
    Reply # 3245970 on 3242964
    I'm not sure if I mentioned my Garmin GPS 76, given to me in 2000.  It runs from the cigarette lighter and uses no appreciable electricity.  Mine shows lights and buoys and I'm sure a more recent one would have a couple more bells and whistles.  Together with a medium scale chart and the appropriate cruising guide you could dispense with your I-pad and maybe just break it out in fog.  Honestly, coastal pilotage is a hugely satisfying and you can quickly check your lat and/or long if you are a little dubious as to what you are looking at.  Why use a computer and take all the fun out of it?  I never switch my VHF on, and see no reason to do so.  I suppose if you are near a busy port you might want to, although if you keep your eyes open you should be able to see what's going on.  Now, we've already got rid of two of your big electricity guzzlers!!

    Yes, listening to the radio on your phone works like a charm, as long as either you are in range of FM (the phone's own app) or have a reasonable amount of data (download your favourite station's app)  I have started using the former, but reception is often pretty iffy.

  • 09 Mar 2015 18:39
    Reply # 3245527 on 3245467
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    Over a 48 hour period the battery went from 13.6 volts down to 11.5 volts.


    Just as a bit of a guide your battery should never drop below about 12.5 volts. If it is dropping down below 12 volts on a regular basis then the battery is not going to last very long. In order to maintain a healthy battery it should be charging to over 14 volts on most days and then dropping down to about that 12.5 volt level at night when you are using a lot of power. A healthy battery should spring back up to 12.6 volts when at rest, no draw off.

    The 100 watt solar panel will be a big help but if it is any shadow its output will reduce significantly. As others have suggested the larger the battery you can fit the more reserve capacity you will have. Keep in mind also that if you get a newer battery but hook it up with the old battery the old battery will drag the newer one down to it's level.

     Life was a lot more simple when we all had kerosene lamps and the only electronic device was lead line!

    Last modified: 09 Mar 2015 18:41 | Deleted user
  • 09 Mar 2015 17:19
    Reply # 3245467 on 3242964
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    Thanks, interesting and informative replies.

    I did something of a test last week; i charged up the battery fully using the mains and smart charger, then ran all my interior lights (48 LEDs overall), charged the iPad and left it running with Navionics open, charged up the handheld VHF.

    Over a 48 hour period the battery went from 13.6 volts down to 11.5 volts. The VHF needed to be charged 3 times over the period when left always on, and the iPad worked for only about 7 hours before i needed to plug it in to charge, then, with Navionics open and on screen, it didn't actually charge up, just held station at 20% battery, i.e. if running the thing full time it seems to need 0.9 amps charging full time too (and yes, i do have the special 3 amp cig lighter charging thingy). It does however charge up the battery when the screen is turned off, so i guess while sailing i might let it go into the 'lock' screen and only wake it up every 20 minutes or so, depending on the hazards in the neighbourhood.

    Interesting, i think 48 hours of battery life in 'sailing' mode with everything on is bit of a narrow margin, so i'll get another battery, keeping the 60ah one as 'reserve'.

    I'm hoping to get away with 100 watts solar. I actually went ahead and ordered the 50 watt panel thinking 'what the hell, i can always buy another' but the seller got back to me saying they were out of stock, and would i like the 100 watt panel for the same price? So i have a 100 watt panel coming this week, and i'll just have to find a way to fit the damn thing on the cabin top.

    I like listening to the radio but i don't have one, i use internet radio ( www.tunein.com is my favourite for now). When in a wireless area i use the wifi, but it works just dandy on the phone too using 3G. Doesn't seem to draw too much power or even conume too many of my gigs. Natuarlly it won't work when not connected to either wifi or mobile phone towers.

    I also subscribe to a bunch of podcasts, BBC mostly.

  • 09 Mar 2015 03:49
    Reply # 3245066 on 3244970
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    Annie Hill wrote:

    Car stereo radio - very greedy on electricity both for radio and CD/USB stick.  Turn it off at the switch as it draws quite a lot even when it's not being used. 

    Like Annie I have found that the car stereo system fitted to Footprints to be one of the biggest gobblers of electrical power. When we are cruising our music now comes from an iPod connected to two small high quality capsule speakers which seem to produce a very acceptable sound in the small space of a boat interior. Each item (iPod & Speakers) have their own built in batteries and only need to be charged once or twice a week depending on how much use they get, and the charging uses very little power.

    The other big user of power is the chart plotter which I used to leave on all the time when we were underway. I am now a lot more selective about when I use this and now only switch it on for navigational critical times and when coming into an anchorage.

    Last modified: 09 Mar 2015 03:50 | Deleted user
  • 09 Mar 2015 01:11
    Reply # 3244970 on 3242964
    Been there, done it, emptied the wallet.

    I have a 200 watt solar panel plonked immovably on deck, because I am far too lazy to orient it towards the sun.  I did have a 60 Ah battery.  That was fine in the summer, inadequate in the winter.  I now have a 120 Ah battery, which is supposed to thrive on being charged either by alternator or solar/wind.  I haven't lived through a winter with it, but in the summer it's always fully charged.  (My alternator is not charging at the moment, but it's not a worry.  I'll get round to it!)  I would have bought golf cart batteries, but they were both too big and too tall for my locker.  I now have just the one battery, but can hand start my engine.  In theory.


    My requirements: a Tohsiba NB500 with solid state hard drive.  Several hours a day.  A small smart-phone. An e-reader.  Car stereo radio - very greedy on electricity both for radio and CD/USB stick.  Turn it off at the switch as it draws quite a lot even when it's not being used.  4 LED cabin lights.  Digital echo sounder.  Electric autopilot in light winds, motoring and/or sunny conditions.  Masthead nav light (LED).  More Mingming than Footprints.  In the winter I have to be conservative about listening to the radio, which is a pity.

    My rule of thumb, to save nervous breakdowns and a flat batteries is: your battery holds half of what it claims; your electrical goodies use twice what they say; the solar panel puts out half of what it says for a maximum of six hours a day.  Follow that and you should be OK!

  • 07 Mar 2015 23:07
    Reply # 3244495 on 3242964

    Matt,

    Whatever the amount of your electrical usage, I'd like to put in a word in favour of using two 6volt golf cart batteries in series. They are very robust, and last a great deal longer than deep cycle "leisure" batteries, no matter how much you neglect them. That gives you about 200 Ah, and then how much charge you are prepared to generate is what governs how much load you can attach to them rather than the other way round, I reckon. 

  • 07 Mar 2015 19:29
    Reply # 3244371 on 3243835
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    David, i suspect your requirements are greater than mine, i lean a little more in the Mingming direction...

    Cheers, Matt

    Yes, well we do like to have our gin and tonics nicely chilled in the evening! I would try and go for the largest solar panel you can fit. IN NZ we can now get a good quality 75w solar panel for around NZ$100 and these panels are not physically large. Try and fit the panel where it is not going to be in shadow even some of the day. A bracket at the stern of the boat seems to be the most effective mounting position as this generally gets the panel clear of most shadow inducing things such as rigging etc. Same with the battery, try and go for the largest you can fit in the space and ensure that it is a suitable deep cycle battery rather than a starting battery. I have had good success for fully sealed absorbed glass matt (AGM) batteries.
  • 06 Mar 2015 17:16
    Reply # 3243835 on 3242964
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    Thanks Chris and David.

    Chris, thanks for the clarification of the wattage of the panels, i didn't realise it was 'watts per hour'.

    You've given me some figures to play with, and i'm conducting some experiments now.

    David, i suspect your requirements are greater than mine, i lean a little more in the Mingming direction...

    Cheers, Matt

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