Electrickery - 60 amp hours 'enough'?

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  • 05 Mar 2015 19:45
    Reply # 3243116 on 3242964
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    Our yacht 'Footprints' relies on solar panels and a wind generator for battery charging. We do have input from our outboard but that is only about 4 amps and we do not use the motor often. We still manage to run all the usual electrics including a 12 volt compressor fridge, various marine radios, charging of the usual electronic devices and all of our lighting which is now LED. But this is sunny New Zealand where we have ideal solar panel charging conditions. We have close to 250 ah battery capacity and over 200 Watts charging capacity with the solar panels and wind generator. I do find that I need to actively orientate one of the panels which is movable towards the sun to get the best charging but when we are living on board and on a sunny day our batteries are usually fully charged again by mid afternoon. Our batteries are sealed AGM units so require no maintenance.

    I think your 60 ah battery and 50 watt solar panel would only be enough if you are giving your boat only occasional usage so that the battery has a chance to recover before the next time you use the boat. If you are spending a few days on board you would need to significantly increase both the battery capacity and charging capacity otherwise the battery is going to die a very early death. The ability of the battery to retain charge also depends on the age of the battery.

  • 05 Mar 2015 16:49
    Reply # 3243002 on 3242964
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    Matt

    Your 50W panel outputs roughly 14V when connected to your battery. 50W therefore translates to 3.5A, but you'll never see this in reality - you might get 3 on a really sunny day with clear skies. How long will you get this kind of output on a typical day - maybe 3 - 4 hours? That will give you around 9-12Ah per day - more in summer, less in winter.

    You then need to calculate your power budget - probably 20-40mA per LED x how many LEDs you have x how long they're on per day ...  40 LEDs, for example = 40 X 30/1000 = 1.2A * 8hrs/day = 9.6Ah/day

    Add the power budget of your iPad & iPhone - batteries roughly 4000mAh total?

    How long with typical use to discharge them? 12hrs? 4Ah x 24/12 = 8Ah per day.

    I don't know if these figures are correct - you'll have to plug in the correct ones and do the maths - but I suspect you need more charge, either from motor coil or panel or wind genny (better, 24hrs a day, summer and winter).

    Battery size doesn't affect this calculation - its just a reservoir for the charge you have available - but if there are long periods of no demand the solar panel will store this charge in the battery, so if it's  bigger, or better still, if you hve two, you can store more for those times when demand exceeds supply.

    Chris

    PS Fully charged your battery will have around 13.7V, fully discharged around 11.3V

    In between it's not linear, but you could plot the reading against time for a few days to see the way it discharges,how long it lasts, and how each voltage reading relates to the % of time you have left.





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  • 05 Mar 2015 15:54
    Message # 3242964
    Deleted user

    I know, it depends...

    Mariposa came with a 60ah battery and i've been running her (new) LED interior lights, charging the iPad and the iPhone, for a week now, with no recharging of the 60ah battery. The meter had dropped to 11.5 volts by today so i thought i better plug in the smart charger.

    I've looked through the specs of the handful of devices i intend to use but i'm a little stumped. For example, i can't figure out how many amp hours the iPad will use if running Navionics full time on a passage. I guess too on passage i'll need to keep the hand-held VHF topped up for safety, and run the LED nav lights at night.

    I've found a good price on this 50 watt solar panel and controller, which will fit neatly between hatches.

    So i'm wondering about a bigger battery, whether or not the 50 watt solar panel will be enough, etc... I'd be grateful for some guidance. If i must get a bigger battery, i like the idea of having the 'main' battery, and the smaller battery as an emergency reserve, like motorcycle fuel tanks.

    Mariposa has no motor yet, and when she does it will be a diminutive 6hp  four stroke outbaoard (anyone have one for sale?). So if there is to be any motor charging, it will only be one of those little charging coils that can be added to outboards.

    Thanks for any tips and advice.

    Matt Waite (Mariposa's new and happy owner).

    P.S. Also, i gather that one can tell the state of charge of a battery by how many volts the meter is showing (i bought a cute little cig lighter volt meter that has 3 amp USB holes in it). Is there some kind of chart for this? Like 13 volts equals 95%, 12.5 volts equals 80%, 11.3 volts equals 30%, etc...


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