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The construction of a sail for Ingeborg.

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  • 01 Feb 2015 00:02
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    Robert, you could start with reading this thread from end to end...

    I used Odyssey III on the sails of Edmond Dantes(48sqm) Frøken Sørensen (20sqm) and now Ingeborg(35sqm). It is 6.5us ounce or 224g/sqm according to my weighing of a sample. The Topgun is 12ounce, I think, but otherwise similar to Odyssey. There is also a canvas in the same range, called Topyssey, at 9 ounce .

    I only have experience with odyssey, but find it to be good.

     

    Arne 

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  • 31 Jan 2015 17:27
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    I am sure this has been discussed somewhere, I just can't remember where: what fabrics are suitable?  I have seen Odyssey III, Sunbrella and Top Gun mentioned.  What are their relative merits?  Can anyone point me to a discussion?

    Thanks

    Robert
  • 26 Jan 2015 23:02
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    I've actually had pretty good success with 100/16 needles, with Odyssey: 110/18 can be more difficult to find.  I even used them on Top Gun for several jobs.

    Sewing machines love a drop of oil every now and then, Arne.  That and keeping everything free from fluff and they'll just keep going :-)
  • 22 Jan 2015 09:56
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    Thanks to both David T and David D.
    I downloaded the info from Sailrite. As for needles, I seem to get away with 110 needles with 92 thread. The limit for my sewing machine seems to be set by the under-thread. With 92-thread I need to slacken the under-thread tension as much as I can, but still have to use almost max tension in the over-thread (9 of 10) to balance it out. I even add a drop of oil on the under-thread bobbin before inserting it, to make it run smoother. I guess I am asking for much of that old domestic sewing machine (Pfaff 360).

    Arne
  • 22 Jan 2015 09:21
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    Arne, I found this info on the Sailrite website regarding Sailthread size.

    https://sailrite.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/sewing-thread-sizes-explained/

    and this for matching thread size to needle size.

    http://www.tolindsewmach.com/thread-chart.html

    Cheers,  David 

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  • 22 Jan 2015 02:22
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Dennis,

    The needle type (socket) for normal domestic sewing machines is: 130/705 H-J

    The thickness I use for this sail making is 110/18. That 110 stands for 1.10mm thickness while 18 may be some Singer standard or something.
    Other sizes are :
    90/14 and 100/16.

    The thread I used this time was a German thread shown on photo 41 in this album. This is very equal to the thread I bought in the US (se photo 44) and used on Frøken Sørensen's sail.

    I am unsure of the labelling of sewing thread and would be grateful for advice on this.

    Arne

     

    The '110/18' is the size of the business end of the needle. Common sizes for sailmaking would be up to 130/21. The Sailrite machine uses a 135 x 17 standard of needle - which is not the size as far as the thread is concerned. I would use a size 120/19 needle with size 69 bonded polyester thread for Odyssey III: I would use a size 130/21 needle with size 92 bonded polyester thread for Mustang 9. The full labelling of thread varies between manufacturers, but the numbers 69 and 92 are always there. I think the next size up is 135, but that won't be needed except on the very largest sails.


  • 21 Jan 2015 23:33
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    Dennis,

    The needle type (socket) for normal domestic sewing machines is: 130/705 H-J

    The thickness I use for this sail making is 110/18. That 110 stands for 1.10mm thickness while 18 may be some Singer standard or something.
    Other sizes are :
    90/14 and 100/16.

    The thread I used this time was a German thread shown on photo 41 in this album. This is very equal to the thread I bought in the US (se photo 44) and used on Frøken Sørensen's sail.

    I am unsure of the labelling of sewing thread and would be grateful for advice on this.

    Anyway, both these threads are plenty strong and my domestic sewing machine (and 110 needles) just accepts it.

    Arne

     

    Last modified: 21 Jan 2015 23:36 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 21 Jan 2015 19:31
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    Arne,

    Let's start with the basics:

    What size needles and thread do you recommend?

    Is there a book/site you recommend for the novice?

    I have access to a heavy duty sewing machine (NOT a SailRite) and would use the Odyssey III fabric.


    No rush, I still have yet to find the IF


    Dennis
  • 15 Jan 2015 15:46
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    Yes, Antoine,
    getting started is the hardest part. I suggest you go through the process and  check that you have all the hardware you need, including a number of spare needles, and plenty of painters' cardboard for making templates/patterns. The webbing I used for boltrope was actually called 2" seatbelt webbing at the US supplier we got our cloth, webbing and thread from.

    http://www.rochfordsupply.com/

    However, it is not 'real' seatbelt webbing. This one stretches very little, while I can imagine that the real seatbelt webbing is slightly more elastic (..but I could well be wrong on this...).

    When you have collected all the stuff, you need, you will reach a point when you say:

    NOW IS THE TIME!

    Good luck,
    Arne

     

    Last modified: 15 Jan 2015 15:47 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 15 Jan 2015 12:43
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    Thanks all for the cheerings. Seems like the most difficult part is to persuade oneself to begin !


    Antoine (WaterBear)
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