Bolger as 29 conversion

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  • 29 Nov 2014 02:38
    Reply # 3159532 on 3152125
    Good points, Graham.

    One reefing option we've considered for the mizzen is a brailing system, which can be rigged either vertical or parallel to the foot.

    Another interesting option can be seen here: www.holopunicanoes.com/quickrig.html. Its main attraction is continuous, roller reefing, and that it's self-furling. (What's with this formatting??)

    We'd occasionally square the (offset) miz across the transom as last sail set for a push downwind. Good visibility and CE near the CL. Can steer 45+deg, either side of downwind, so can crab over toward your destination. When close, set foresail(s) and sail in.

    The ability to adjust from minimal balance to centered main is very attractive in Reddish and similar rigs. Its tendency toward lower aspect (than HM rigs) makes is a particularly good translation of the AS's gaff rig... It seems to me that an HM sail with anywhere near that aspect ratio is going to be losing a lot to drag, whereas Reddish et al profit from the long battens to enhance and control geometric camber.

    BTW, one LUNA trick that worked out great was to put the mizzen tabernacle outboard of the the transom. It straddled a pin at its foot, and was held in place by a 'gate' at the top of the tabernacle. The benefit was that stepping/unstepping the mast was a piece o' cake, since it could be handled from mid-mast, and didn't have to be lifted clear of the tabernacle. Plan was to use it for a dinghy mast, but never got to it.

  • 28 Nov 2014 07:25
    Reply # 3159228 on 3152125

    I also think the AS29 is a brilliant design.  If you fit a more conventional junk mainsail, (perhaps a modified Hasler/Mcleod planform), then the CE will not move forward when you reef, as Dave mentions, but you can furl the mizzen as your first reef instead.  A friend of mine rigged and sailed his Bolger Red Zinger design this way with great success.  With the wind aft of the beam the mizzen will be furled anyway except in the lightest of airs.  The mainsail, squared right off, will take the CE well forward.  It will also be well outboard, of course.  Whether this is an issue depends on the boat.  On my boat, Arion, it is not an issue.  I can drive the boat extremely hard downwind under self-steering without rounding up.  I usually reef because I am concerned about blowing out the sail, not because of balance.  If balance is an issue, you can use twin mast lifts and swing the sail across the mast with ease, effectively turning the sail into a squaresail or flat-cut spinnaker.  I think you'll find that junk rig will make the AS29 an even better cruising boat than it already is.

  • 28 Nov 2014 04:22
    Reply # 3159210 on 3152125

    Hi John,

    A few thoughts:

    RE AS29: In my humble opinion, the AS concept is one of the great maritime innovations of the last century. Bolger wrote that he thought the MANATEE was contending successor to the Herreshoff MEADOWLARK (a cruising design for amateur DIY). I consider the AS line to be very much more so, especially in the age of second growth timber.

    RE Ease of conversion - I'm with Arne. Should be easy enough to convert the main to junk. The mizzen can be left as is (more on this later)... it's hard to beat for simplicity.

    RE Balance - Phil (Bolger) is using his standard 'trick' in the AS29 rig. The mizzen is either all standing or struck. The main is designed with a diagonal leech... as you reef, the center of effort moves forward as area is reduced. Net effect is to maintain overall balance against the constant area of the mizzen.

    To reproduce this effect, one of the junk sailforms with a diagonal leech would help. Quadrangular sails - such as seen on many traditional craft, Slocum's LIBERDADE, and Bolger's usual junk sail choice - seem to be off the JRA radar, but I'm not sure why. Possibly due to reefing geometry considerations mentioned in Hasler/McCleod? Pics I've seen of traditional boats so rigged seem to furl without trouble.

    W avoided the issue on LUNA (AS31 following the AS29's lead) by using two large sails (cat schooner, in that case) which can be balanced against each other.

    In practice, it's likely you can sail under well trimmed main of any shape (e.g., a Sunbird or Reddish sailform), and adjust mizzen balance via its sheets, under and over trimming as necessary. I think it will be a matter of nuance.

    Conversions to JR often allow an increase in sail size, as it's so quick and easy to reef (Bolger endorses this approach). By adding balance and extending aft, you'll pick up considerable area over the original gaff rig. If the resulting aspect ratio seems low, you can always go up.

    RE Mizzen - Consider a somewhat larger mizzen, especially if it must overcome balance issues mentioned above. We also wished we had larger one on LUNA to counter the considerable forward windage of the furled JR sail bundle, wind-cocked or at anchor.

    Maybe start with a taller mast and Tyvek mizzen till you get a size that fits? Can always cut down!

    We had great luck setting the mizzen with no haulyard. We fixed a light line at the masthead, led to a cleat low on the mast.

    To strike sail, push the inbrd end of the sprit vertical (bring iits outbrd end down and to the mast). Roll up the bunt, and spiral wrap sail and sprit to mast using the light line. Cleat off and done. 'Whip' the line in high winds to get first wraps as high as possible.

    RE Leeboards: We love 'em!

    A retaining cable (our preference) or bar means you don't have to tend them between tacks (they become Off-Center Boards, rather than lee boards).

    We find that they tend to perform better when placed further forward than I expect. In both LUNA and SLACKTIDE, we still have a little lee helm with sails trimmed for the wind and boards all the way forward. Have to crank some weather helm in with over trimmed after sail.

    I notice board placement is far fwd in Thames Barges and many others of similar type... could be an effect of the very firm bilges?

    Consider spanning bulkheads with your (leeboard) guards. We didn't on LUNA, and an... er... intimate encounter with a dock pushed the unbacked guard into the hull hard enough to crack veneers. Looks like the AS has plenty to choose from. Never hurts for the guards to go longer than necessary to reach the next blkhd... they make great boarding steps!

    *****

    Hope all this helps... good luck with the conversion!

    Dave Z



  • 19 Nov 2014 05:30
    Reply # 3154102 on 3152125
    Deleted user

    I read through the chapters, there is a lot of information to digest . Thank you for the advice.

  • 16 Nov 2014 18:00
    Reply # 3152275 on 3152125
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    John,
    I have found the AS29 in Bolger’s ‘Boats with an open mind’. As I see it, it should be piece of cake to use the original planned mast positions (tabernacles) and rig with JR. That is, for the mizzen I simply suggest that you go for the original triangular sail. The mainsail could then be designed and built as a JR.

    Could I suggest that you have a closer look at Chapter 3 -  5 of "The Cambered Panel JR" ? That could possibly be of some help. These chapters show how to make each panel with camber in them. These sails have proven more effective  than the flat sails.

    Anyway, wood luck!

    Arne

     

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  • 16 Nov 2014 17:28
    Reply # 3152259 on 3152125
    Deleted user

    Thanks for the link.   I have read Leo,'s link a bunch of times since about 2004 and I have followed Dave and Ankes builds since they sailed from Port Townsend Washington.    What I am wondering more specifically, has anyone converted an already built AS 29 without moving the masts location ?   A little background, I am a carpenter with 26 years experience and I have built 3 small boats "under 20 ft" self taught with a lot of reading by the woodstove on cold winter nights. I bought a AS 29 in a sale recently, it has yet to touch water. It needs sails rigging and deck hardware as well as a outboard motor.  I would like to convert it to JR before it goes into the water.  I have two books, Practical junk rig and The chinese sailing rig in my storage and I will use them as I design the rig. I will post pictures after I move the boat to my workspace.  Any and all input will be appreciated as I am sure I haven't thought every detail through and many of you on this board are using the JR will have pertinent information. 

  • 16 Nov 2014 07:34
    Reply # 3152134 on 3152125
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Take a look at this:

    http://www.leow.de/

    Arne 

  • 16 Nov 2014 03:40
    Message # 3152125
    Deleted user

    Has anyone on here converted a Bolger as 29 to junk rig?  I know that some folks on here have built them as junks, but I want to convert one to junk sails and lee boards.   Any info would be appreciated.. Thank you in advance. 

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