Twisting multipart halyard

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  • 20 Aug 2014 15:22
    Reply # 3079290 on 3077862

    On Marie G, I have modern ropes that remember twist very well, so I sew on a thin line and takes it all on deck, stretch the haliyard all out to take out the twist, and remounts it by use of the thin line. It is also possible to Mount a swivel on the standing end, either mast or yard, (mine is on the yard). My sheet is also sporting a swivel on the standing end to take out the twist. 

  • 20 Aug 2014 00:27
    Reply # 3079035 on 3077862
    Same as Graham.  Never a problem.  Just don't use swivel blocks.  And you may have the rope trying to twist if it's brand new - new rope, especially from the end of the coil, always wants to misbehave.  In that case, when the sail is down, work the kinks out starting at the mast or winch and then flake it back like Graham says.  After two or three times it should have lost its memory.
  • 19 Aug 2014 22:15
    Reply # 3078965 on 3077862

    Arion has two single blocks shackled at the masthead, with the sheaves flat against the mast as recommended, and a single block on the yard, none of which can swivel.  When I hoist the sail I just let the halyard fall into the cockpit, then later flake it tail first into a plastic box that sits in a corner of the cockpit seat.  (Actually, the halyard has some reserve length and the tail is always in the box.)  I have never had a tangle with this system - it always runs out freely and the halyard never twists.  I am using 10mm double braid line.

    Last modified: 19 Aug 2014 22:19 | Anonymous member
  • 19 Aug 2014 17:23
    Reply # 3078787 on 3077862
    Yes, I believe the compression load would be two times the downward force from the sail (mostly its weight) instead of 1 + 1/purchases, but I'll search PJR for the note on this topic. Thanks!
  • 19 Aug 2014 15:56
    Reply # 3078170 on 3077862
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I agree with Brian on not using swivel blocks and not coiling the halyard ( I stuff it in a bag, as taught to me by a mountain climber).

    In addition it helps to not collect all the parts in one block at each end. This way, used on Johanna's 5-part halyard, works well. (If the link goes on strike, check Arne's sketches under my member's photo album)

    Using a multipart purchase only on the fall down from the mast top has one disadvantage, mentioned in PJR: The compression load on the unstayed mast will be higher and that is not desirable.

    Arne

  • 19 Aug 2014 15:22
    Reply # 3078143 on 3077862

    Someone told me about this problem when I first sailed Tammy Norie, and I immediately wondered why not have a single line from the yard to a block at the masthead, then have the blocks with the purchases running from the masthead to the deck. That way, when the sail is up, the blocks are at deck level where they can be untangled. The single line might need to be a wire on a large rig.

    I'm sure someone else has thought of this and can tell me why it won't work.

    Sketch here

    Last modified: 19 Aug 2014 15:29 | Anonymous member
  • 19 Aug 2014 13:04
    Reply # 3078054 on 3077862
    Deleted user

    Hi Don. Eliminating the swivel and not coiling the tail end of the halyard would help.

  • 19 Aug 2014 07:24
    Message # 3077862
    Deleted user

    I have converted a Hunter Liberty 22 to a single masted JR. Works well except that I suffer from the three part halyard twisting to the point where recently the halyard jammed with the sail fully up. 

    Clearly I have got something wrong. I have the mast head sheaves lying flat against the mast but have the lower sheaves swivelling. Am I right in thinking that the answer may be to eliminate the swivel on the lower blocks?

    Suggestions most welcome. I think some gaff rig sailors have had similar problems. 

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