How to get a boat off the British Registry

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  • 27 Oct 2023 07:36
    Reply # 13272259 on 13271239

    ooops this is a conundrum...

    I do have the license to sail a vessel, the question is:

    1 Will my Italian license allow me to sail a British registered vessel in British waters?



    Anybody aboard a privately owned yacht may sail her in British tidal waters without any form of qualification, certificate or licence. This was so before Brexit and it remains so today. 


    Amen.

    A clear start is all I need, then I'll tackle the issues as (and if) they come.

  • 25 Oct 2023 08:36
    Reply # 13271239 on 13271124
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Thankyou Eric and Asmat.

    I found the insurance, the whip before the horse-:)

    Well done !

    Next issue : the French bureaucratie have defined a sailing licence for the navigation on the French canals. I don't know if it is relevant for strangers and how.

    Eric

    Branwen spent more than a year in French inland waterways 10 years ago, while she was still a gaff cutter. The regulations required the skipper to possess an International Certificate of Competence, together with having passed an examination to obtain a CEVNI certificate. More money wasted: I wasn't asked to show these papers at any time.

    My normal attitude towards pointless bureaucracy does not apply here - I think it's just as important that skippers navigating these commercial waterways know the rules, as that drivers of cars must be licensed. This requirement seems not to apply to holidaymakers in charge of big motor cruisers hired from companies such as Le Boat.

    ooops this is a conundrum...

    I do have the license to sail a vessel, the question is:

    1 Will my Italian license allow me to sail a British registered vessel in British waters?



    Anybody aboard a privately owned yacht may sail her in British tidal waters without any form of qualification, certificate or licence. This was so before Brexit and it remains so today. 
  • 24 Oct 2023 22:50
    Reply # 13271124 on 13271069
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Thankyou Eric and Asmat.

    I found the insurance, the whip before the horse-:)

    Well done !

    Next issue : the French bureaucratie have defined a sailing licence for the navigation on the French canals. I don't know if it is relevant for strangers and how.

    Eric

    Branwen spent more than a year in French inland waterways 10 years ago, while she was still a gaff cutter. The regulations required the skipper to possess an International Certificate of Competence, together with having passed an examination to obtain a CEVNI certificate. More money wasted: I wasn't asked to show these papers at any time.

    My normal attitude towards pointless bureaucracy does not apply here - I think it's just as important that skippers navigating these commercial waterways know the rules, as that drivers of cars must be licensed. This requirement seems not to apply to holidaymakers in charge of big motor cruisers hired from companies such as Le Boat.

    ooops this is a conundrum...

    I do have the license to sail a vessel, the question is:

    1 Will my Italian license allow me to sail a British registered vessel in British waters? 

    Will my Italian license allow me to sail a British registered vessel in French waters?

    YCC is not an option, I think, as Italy did not implemented resolution 40

    Ideas?



    Last modified: 24 Oct 2023 23:15 | Anonymous member
  • 24 Oct 2023 22:43
    Reply # 13271123 on 13271069
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Thankyou Eric and Asmat.

    I found the insurance, the whip before the horse-:)

    Well done !

    Next issue : the French bureaucratie have defined a sailing licence for the navigation on the French canals. I don't know if it is relevant for strangers and how.

    Eric

    Branwen spent more than a year in French inland waterways 10 years ago, while she was still a gaff cutter. The regulations required the skipper to possess an International Certificate of Competence, together with having passed an examination to obtain a CEVNI certificate. More money wasted: I wasn't asked to show these papers at any time.

    My normal attitude towards pointless bureaucracy does not apply here - I think it's just as important that skippers navigating these commercial waterways know the rules, as that drivers of cars must be licensed. This requirement seems not to apply to holidaymakers in charge of big motor cruisers hired from companies such as Le Boat.

    The best way to deel with French bureaucraty is to limit your language capabilities to Italain and to play the fool ! (The probability to have a civil service agent issued from Italian emmigration is rather low!)

    It doesn't prevent you from knowing the rules !

    Bureaucracy and security are two different worlds.

    Eric

  • 24 Oct 2023 20:38
    Reply # 13271069 on 13270954
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Thankyou Eric and Asmat.

    I found the insurance, the whip before the horse-:)

    Well done !

    Next issue : the French bureaucratie have defined a sailing licence for the navigation on the French canals. I don't know if it is relevant for strangers and how.

    Eric

    Branwen spent more than a year in French inland waterways 10 years ago, while she was still a gaff cutter. The regulations required the skipper to possess an International Certificate of Competence, together with having passed an examination to obtain a CEVNI certificate. More money wasted: I wasn't asked to show these papers at any time.

    My normal attitude towards pointless bureaucracy does not apply here - I think it's just as important that skippers navigating these commercial waterways know the rules, as that drivers of cars must be licensed. This requirement seems not to apply to holidaymakers in charge of big motor cruisers hired from companies such as Le Boat.

  • 24 Oct 2023 17:23
    Reply # 13270954 on 13270875
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    Thankyou Eric and Asmat.

    I found the insurance, the whip before the horse-:)

    Well done !

    Next issue : the French bureaucratie have defined a sailing licence for the navigation on the French canals. I don't know if it is relevant for strangers and how.

    Eric

  • 24 Oct 2023 14:54
    Reply # 13270875 on 13269966

    Thankyou Eric and Asmat.

    I found the insurance, the whip before the horse-:)

  • 23 Oct 2023 15:45
    Reply # 13270456 on 13270381

    Formelly, your boat should be registered to travel out of the national country watters and I'm not sure that the "small boat registration" is valid for international travels (BREXIT).


    Despite the Brexit disaster, UK SSR, (Small Ships) registration remains valid for all overseas authorities and seems to enjoy a status equal to part one registration for vessels under 24m overall.

    Nobody asked to inspect my certificate during a summer cruise in Dutch and Belgian waters this year - £35 wasted, especially so since a paper document is no longer issued; it now exists only in digital form on my phone.

  • 23 Oct 2023 11:27
    Reply # 13270381 on 13269966
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Bonjour

    ATIS is only required for boats more than 20m. Otherwise any hand held VHF is sufficient and only required on some specific area (Paris for example).

    The issue of keeping the British flag for the journey to Italy is mainly an insurance issue.

    For example, I found a French insurance, but it was not obvious, that covered my Dannish boat for the travel from Copenhagen to Britanny.

    I suppose that the boat is actually registered in the "small boat registration" category.

    You must have a paper provided by the seller indicating that the boat has been cancelled from the registration.

    Formelly, your boat should be registered to travel out of the national country watters and I'm not sure that the "small boat registration" is valid for international travels (BREXIT).

    For example :the Dannish boats are not registered under 20m and I travelled all around Europe without any problem; but it was not formally correct. In case of problem, my English would have been very poor and I would have play the fool (Latin way of life).

    If you by the boat from a physical person the VAT will be supposed to be already paid.


    Eric


    Last modified: 23 Oct 2023 11:33 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 23 Oct 2023 09:42
    Reply # 13270366 on 13269966

    Thanks Jan, 

    I guess I'll keep the UK registration until I get back to Italy. The boat was first launched in 1971, so should be plenty old to be VAT exempt but I will check. 

    The VHF with ATIS requirement to go down the French canals is an issue I had not foreseen and I will have to further investigate.

    Last modified: 23 Oct 2023 09:42 | Anonymous member
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