Locating Fabric for junk sails; also carbon mast anti-chafe ideas

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  • 29 Jul 2013 02:52
    Reply # 1353408 on 1318990
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    Hi all, we are making progress - both sails are now one large piece instead of lots of smaller pieces. Overall, pretty much per Karlis's comments. Now on to batten pockets, etc. - fun, fun, we are actually enjoying the process, most of the time. The nice thing is that we have gained a cheer squad around the marina.

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  • 25 Jul 2013 19:51
    Reply # 1351624 on 1318990
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    Thanks Jonathan. I know it well and have Just stuck it on the masts where the boom bears on them. With a buffer on the boom all should be well. Only snag is it's designed to be non-skip so is high friction.

    On another tack and re Paul Fay's idea of using PVC tubing on the batten and boom parcels etc, I found some nice bendy uv proof slotted tube sold for protecting Bermudas sails from shroud chafe. I think this will work much better than PVC tube for batten and boom parcels - and no need to notch it for the la tater function. It is split vertically with a good overlap and just slots onto 8 mm line.

    Rudolf, thanks for that idea. Will give that some thought.
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  • 22 Jul 2013 16:25
    Reply # 1348750 on 1318990

    Brian

    You might try Treadmaster which comes in pieces about one foot by six inches especially for fixing to companion way steps etc.  It is ready sticky.  Treadmaster can be diamond patterned or quite smooth.  Robin Blain uses it succesfully.  I had less success on the new fore boom for Lexia.  However, we were trying to do it at speed under very adverse conditions round a small diameter.  From memory I think that it was about £30 for a couple of pieces. 

     

    jds

  • 21 Jul 2013 23:03
    Reply # 1348356 on 1318990
      Hi Brian, maybe you could use PVC pipe. If it is a bit undersized and cut lengthwise it
      will clamp around the mast and take any taper. If not too old PVC will take a lot of 
      torturing before it breaks. Use epoxy to build up a collar to smoothen the egdes and keep 
      it in place.
      regards, Rudolf




  • 21 Jul 2013 22:09
    Reply # 1348344 on 1318990
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    Glad Lesley was able to help you out while I was away. Let me know if you have any further problems.

    I see you are 'junking' a schooner wishbone cat rig. My wife and I did the same, though we had the conversion done professionally on our Freedom 39 Pilothouse Schooner. It's  worked out fine though we do have a problem with mast chafe by some of the control lines, so watch out for that when you get that far. I'm on the lookout for something pref. self-adhesive that can be wrapped around the masts at the chafe points. Can't do that though until I'm 100% happy with the control line runs. Anyone have any ideas other than stainless steel?
  • 05 Jul 2013 07:48
    Reply # 1333545 on 1318990
    I cut up 2 old dacron genoas to make my 320sq'/30sq m sail. I think it worked out pretty good, but I've only just finished rigging it on the mast and hopefully I'll take it for a sail this weekend. I followed Arne's step-by-step guide and that was very helpful. The used dacron has more stretch than new dacron, but probably much less so than the odyssey. Mine has barrell camber, I think the dacron might have set better with shelf camber. Mine is a little wrinkly, but I'm still getting to know the set and adjusting my HK parrels, and turns out my wood battens are too flexible anyway.

    I can't speak about how strong the used dacron is, but I think it will be fine for the sailing I'm going to do. I'm happy with the result, it was cheap, and now I have a lot more experience with constructing these sails. I think that's the important part. I learned so much by doing it that I never imagined while reading and re-reading PJR and Arne's CPJR. 

    As far as working with the cloth itself, I used basting tape to put the panels together, I think Arne recommends staples. I found getting the panel edges to match was sometimes tricky, if you stretch one more than the other when stick-fitting them together you'll get a mis-match by the end of the panel. The other thing to deal with is the old seams and reinforcements. Some of my panels have seams and bias running all over the place; the pattern looks interesting and no problems so far. The reinforcements I just removed.

    My mantra when I was working on them was "how bad do they have to be before they won't work at all?" but I think they worked out better than that; we'll see this weekend.

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  • 04 Jul 2013 01:34
    Reply # 1332839 on 1318990
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    Annie, thank you. You have pretty much supported my thoughts. If it works out, great for a number of reasons. If not, well, experience is a great thing for the next effort.
  • 04 Jul 2013 00:16
    Reply # 1332809 on 1318990
    Good on you.  If you've never made a sail before, you might feel a bit less stressed using recycled cloth, too.  And you don't need to fret that first time is perfect for your type of sailing (eg flat vs camber).
  • 03 Jul 2013 06:08
    Reply # 1332123 on 1318990
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    Thanks Lesley,
    Done! Cam central and one other pic. Re progress - we have 2 sets of dacron sails at present that wrap around the mast, and are joined - ie twice the amount of cloth each that a tracked sail would use. Seems a shame to discard all of that cloth, some is in quite good condition - I think that we may be able to recut. Working on it, I have modelled the sail plan and I think that it should work. It will be a couple of weeks before I can try the idea.
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  • 19 Jun 2013 21:33
    Reply # 1322218 on 1318990
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    hi Neville, I've checked your profile and all looks good, you've uploaded successfully a profile pic of you, and one of your boat. This general forum is viewable by non members so the picture alongside members' postings both here and in the technical forum is of our boats. When we post in a members only forum, the picture shown is the profile picture of the member and not the boat. Both of these profile images are  necessarily small, so, if you have time and inclination, you could create an album and upload a larger sized image so we can see that bank of cams. It might be a contender for 'best reason to convert to junk rig'. 

    To create an album go to <view profile> then <members photo albums> then <add album> 
    If you have any problems, try Brian's help section or get back to me by clicking on my name under my boats pic to the left.

    Lesley 
    Last modified: 19 Jun 2013 21:49 | Deleted user
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