Locating Fabric for junk sails; also carbon mast anti-chafe ideas

  • 18 Jun 2013 11:15
    Reply # 1320715 on 1318990
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    Hi Brian, re pictures clarification - as per suggestion, I tried to post a profile picture (profile edit) , but it seems that the boat picture made it to the profile section. Computers and I have these issues from time to time.

    Last modified: 18 Jun 2013 11:16 | Deleted user
  • 17 Jun 2013 21:35
    Reply # 1320405 on 1318990
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    Neville, you mention photos in your 'profile pic', but you don't have any albums in your membership profile. Please clarify. Thanks.
  • 17 Jun 2013 11:57
    Reply # 1319953 on 1318990
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    Hi all, thank you for the continuing advice, much appreciated. I have added a couple of photos, if you have a look at the number of cams (1 of 2 banks) behind me in the profile pic, there is an indication of one of the reasons why we are going junk. Including sheets, there were 18 lines coming into the cockpit. The other pic is Naliandrah about 18 months ago. A lot of boat, a lot of work, but I believe that we have the makings of a really good cruising boat. We have rewired, new battery banks, cut rust out of the deck (have not found any problems with the hull, 5mm plate seems in really good condition), got the engine running, etc., etc., and generally had some character building episodes. Come to think of, some of those are ongoing..!  
  • 17 Jun 2013 02:06
    Reply # 1319726 on 1319628
    Paul Thompson wrote:
    Neville Saunders wrote: we have had a number of friends and family trying very hard to persuade us not to build our own sails. While I have no problems with seeking professional assistance, in this case, your support has helped us to dig our heels in and prepare to have a go at our own sails.

    I highly recommend that you make your own sails as most professionals have no experience or even concept  of what a junk sail is whether flat or cambered. It's completely unlike anything they have normally experienced. Coupled with the average sailmakers apparent inability to follow instructions or to admit that he may not know... you get rather unsatisfactory results.
    I completely endorse the Oracle's opinion.  More than a few junkies have suffered a lot of grief when trying to persuade a professional sailmaker to build a sail in accordance with accepted junk rig practices.  Finding somewhere to spread the sails out is definitely a drawback, but if you have a carefully planned design, you don't need to.  I didn't spread my sail out until I'd finished sewing it up.  Church/community halls and school gyms are sometimes available for a small rent. :-)
  • 17 Jun 2013 01:54
    Reply # 1319724 on 1319320
    Paul Thompson wrote:Grasshopper, Marchem who its seems is now Marlen are the manufactures of Odyssey III, Mustang and Top Gun. Rochford's are a US based supplier of fabrics etc. :-)

    Sorry, Oracle: relying on a memory somewhat pickled by good NZ wine and homebrew!
  • 16 Jun 2013 20:49
    Reply # 1319628 on 1319469
    Neville Saunders wrote:Wow. Thank you all, the amount and depth of assistance in about 24 hours is very nice indeed. From all of that, I think that we should be able to find a supplier. I will post the result so that others can get some benefit. We do have a sailrite walking foot machine aboard, so we are off to a good start. The sails are not much short of 700 square feet, so I think Mustang may be a first choice. Back to thanks - we have had a number of friends and family trying very hard to persuade us not to build our own sails. While I have no problems with seeking professional assistance, in this case, your support has helped us to dig our heels in and prepare to have a go at our own sails. We are having difficulty finding a place to work on Queensland's Sunshine coast, but if we have to, I will set up a tarp on deck. It may take a while, but more to come as the project unfolds.

    Neville, Mustang will work well, just attend to the reinforcements for the luff, leach and head as 700 SqFt is a large sail. I highly recommend that you make your own sails as most professionals have no experience or even concept  of what a junk sail is whether flat or cambered. It's completely unlike anything they have normally experienced. Coupled with the average sailmakers apparent inability to follow instructions or to admit that he may not know... you get rather unsatisfactory results.

    BTW. If you click on my name (under the avatar) you will go to my profile photo album. There you will find some photos taken while making up my last set of sails (for La Chica, from Mustang). 

  • 16 Jun 2013 20:33
    Reply # 1319626 on 1319430
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    Neville, I have made two sails from Odyssey III and found it to be a super-easy material to work with both when lofting and cutting it, and when sewing it. I believe it is strong enough for most jobs (6.5oz). In addition to the 11oz Top Gun, there is also the Topyssey at 8.5oz. It looks very much like the Odyssey, but is just a bit firmer.

    Arne, Topyssey is discontinued and no longer available (except maybe old stock), Mustang is the replacement. As far as I can tell, Mustang and Topyssey are the same thing and it's just a name change.

    Mustang is extremely pleasant to work with and to handle (in the completed sail) it also has quite a bit less bias stretch. I highly recommend it to you and I believe that it will work with your sail making methods as well as any other cloth may.

    Last modified: 17 Jun 2013 05:19 | Anonymous member
  • 16 Jun 2013 12:56
    Reply # 1319473 on 1319430
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:..

    I think that Odyssey III would be strong enough for most junk sails, in particular if one avoids making the top panels too big (better make them a bit smaller than the others). 

    I think this stuff is ridiculously strong, I ended up testing it in a non scientific way.
    I had an off cut of broadseaming, 3 long thin pieces of Odyssey III (5x150cm) sewed to together end on end, like a 4.5m rope of Odyssey. So thought I would test its strength and tied one end to a post and hauled on it, expecting at least the V69 threads to rip out. No way. It stretched a little but the fabric and stitching were unbreakable. Maybe if I tied one end to the car's tow bar... might break the post...
  • 16 Jun 2013 12:39
    Reply # 1319471 on 1318990
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    Hi Neville. Great to hear that, as a relatively new member you've been pleased with the response - regular online members are pretty generous with advice and time. Good luck with the project and keep us informed. How about uploading a picture of yourself to your profile? There's info, if you need it, on how to do that in our Help section.
    Last modified: 16 Jun 2013 12:40 | Deleted user
  • 16 Jun 2013 12:34
    Reply # 1319469 on 1318990
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    Wow. Thank you all, the amount and depth of assistance in about 24 hours is very nice indeed. From all of that, I think that we should be able to find a supplier. I will post the result so that others can get some benefit. We do have a sailrite walking foot machine aboard, so we are off to a good start. The sails are not much short of 700 square feet, so I think Mustang may be a first choice. Back to thanks - we have had a number of friends and family trying very hard to persuade us not to build our own sails. While I have no problems with seeking professional assistance, in this case, your support has helped us to dig our heels in and prepare to have a go at our own sails. We are having difficulty finding a place to work on Queensland's Sunshine coast, but if we have to, I will set up a tarp on deck. It may take a while, but more to come as the project unfolds.
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