Halcyon 27 junk rigged ????

  • 22 May 2013 23:44
    Reply # 1299398 on 1298110
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

                                                             Stavanger, Thursday

    Neil,

    Could I suggest that you warm up with my little write-up called " Junk Rigs for Beginners"? You find it among others under my folder here:

    http://www.junkrigassociation.org/arne

    BTW, thanks to JRA member Jean Estor that write-up can even be read in French (..I’m deadly proud of that - being translated...). So if  any of you should want to brush up your French, just have a look here:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49284570/Arne%20Kverneland%27s%20Junk%20Rig%20Files/TECHNICAL%20FILES/D%C3%A9couvrir%20la%20voile%20de%20jonque-Junk%20rig%20for%20beginners.pdf

    Cheers, Arne

    PS: A decent not extreme SA/displacement ratio of 20 should result in about 42sqm on that Halcyon 27 - not that frightening, eh?

    Last modified: 22 May 2013 23:53 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 22 May 2013 14:48
    Reply # 1298819 on 1298110

    Hi Neil

    It sounds as if you could have an exciting project in front of you, if you take it.

    You could be at the bottom of a steep learning curve, or the edge of a mine field. Get it right and you’ll have a great boat and great fun at surprisingly small money. Get it wrong and it could be an expensive mediocre experience.

    The junk rig can be a great rig, easy to use and giving great performance, and the Halcyon 27 would be a good boat to put under the rig. There are a lot of older designed rigs about that don’t perform, and you will want to steer well clear of them. It is because of them that you have already found that there is a lot of miss-information about the rig and been told they don’t work on long keels.

    Look at Arne’s rig information and you won’t go far wrong, though he likes generous sail area for his sailing ground. You have a lot to learn, but it is well worth the effort. My advice would be to rush slowly, but a junk rigged Halcyon 27 would be a great boat.

    Good luck.

    Cheers,  Slieve

  • 22 May 2013 02:44
    Reply # 1298551 on 1298110
    Neil May wroteIve been offered a Halcyon 27 long keel with sloop rig ( I think ), is it wise to change to junk rigged with a long keel, been told that junk rigs don't perform to well on a long keel.

    Hi Neil, welcome! My boat is a heavily modified Tahatianna. That's heavy displacement (8.5 ton) very little cut away in the forefoot and a keel that goes on forever. She has cambered junk sails and tacks without any issue's. So I'd say whoever told you the above possibly was misinformed or sailed on a boat that was not rigged right. However, boats of these types with flat sails are undoubtedly more difficult to tack.


    However, the Halcyon 27 has a lot of cutaway in the forefoot and is very unlikely to have any issues.
  • 21 May 2013 23:03
    Reply # 1298413 on 1298110
    I agree with Arne that a Halcyon 27 would convert admirably to junk rig.  Although the keel is 'long' the boat has a cut-away forefoot to enable tacking.  There are plenty of long-keeled boats in the JRA whose owners are delighted with their performance.  Cambered sails create more drive, which would help her when tacking in a seaway.

    I can recommend that you do as much of the work as you can.  This will not only save you a lot of money, but will make you much more informed about the rig.  It can't be that difficult - I converted my Bermudian sloop to junk rig on my own.  On my own, that is, with a lot of virtual help from my fellow junkies.  Both Arne and David Tyler are very knowledgeable, tremendously kind and tirelessly helpful and will 'hold your hand' through the process, backed up by other knowledgeable junkies in this Association.
  • 21 May 2013 22:11
    Reply # 1298367 on 1298110
    Hi Neil. I see you're a new member - so welcome - and that you're in Sutton Harbour, Plymouth. That's where my wife and I are currently living on our Freedom 39 schooner junk, Paradox. We're on F20, so why not pop round and say hello and maybe I can help with your decision..

    I did a quick seacrh of the site and couldn't find any members with Halcyons, and there's no mention of such in the list of successful conversions in our Junk Info section. But if Arne - one of our real junk experts says it's a goer, then it is.

    Our Freedom already had masts in just about the right places so the conversion only involved new sails, which Chris Scanes made for us. Of course some of the deck gear needed rerouting etc, which I did. It all seems to work. As far as costs go it's obviously difficult to estimate until you know what's involved, and the more you can do yourself the cheaper, of course. Chris Scanes would give you a quote for sail design and build, as would several others - see Junk Info > useful Links > Sails, Masts and Gear for a list of most rig designers, mast suppliers etc.

    Anyway, look forward to meeting you next time you're in Plymouth. Cheers.
  • 21 May 2013 20:01
    Reply # 1298257 on 1298110
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    In my opinion the Folkboat-style Halcyon 27 is an excellet candidate for conversion to Junkrig. In fact, I can hardly think of a better one. With a 45sqm sail with generously cambered panels, it will go like a train.

    Arne

    Last modified: 22 May 2013 23:14 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 21 May 2013 18:22
    Message # 1298110
    Deleted user

    Hi all , I ve just become a member of JRA, I am looking to swap boating codes from motorboat to sail.

    Ive been offered a Halcyon 27 long keel with sloop rig ( I think ), is it wise to change to

     junk rigged with a long keel, been told that junk rigs don't perform to well on a long keel.

    Ive searched the web, cant find any Halcyon 27 conversions.

    One more question if I got a company to do conversion How much ???

    Thanks in advance

    Neil

     

    Last modified: 21 May 2013 18:23 | Deleted user
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