PANGO updated Rig - a few vids under sail from yesterday

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  • 25 Apr 2022 04:49
    Reply # 12742588 on 12735654
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Paul wrote:  The three blocks are ball bearing and add very little to the friction of the line. 

    Hmphhhhh!  Three extra ball bearing blocks, for no advantage to Pango as far as I can see, add more than a little to the chandlery bill.

    Speaking of which, you are probably right about my confusion regarding that clutch thingamajiggy. I wouldn't know, I usually try to avoid things with names like "Lewmar DB1".     The Mk 1 cleat will do me.

    Paul also wrote: I like the system and feel it gives me exactly what I want. Now, that’s the most important thing, isn’t it? There are a lot of other things I like about Pango too – that powerful and nicely made sail, the carbon fibre mast (if I could afford one), and just the way the boat sails so well.

    I especially like the sloping, rear-facing, watertight main hatch which seems to me like a modern and much better version of a “scuttle”. I like it so much I have stolen the idea, and I have made a forward-facing one at the bow, on my scow project – so I can stand with head and shoulders out of the hatch and handle the anchoring without having to go out onto the fore deck.

    I think other people might be interested if you were to expand a little on the eyelet/batten lacing system you put on Pango’s sail – and your lazyjack spiderweb which looks pretty interesting as it is a departure from the type of sail-gatherer I have seen on some of your other sails.

    PS and how about you or Annie giving us a couple of good recipes for bean stew. Missionary and puha gets a bit boring, night after night, eh.

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    (And I would urge Zane to consolidate all his Pango posts and videos onto one thread so they don't end up scattered all over oblivion like most of the threads eventually do.

    Keep them coming Zane. It’s a good, unfolding narrative).






    Last modified: 25 Apr 2022 13:22 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 25 Apr 2022 02:42
    Reply # 12742149 on 12737121
    Anonymous wrote:

    Now I am stuck inside  by the rain, so just for fun I am going to start a friendly argument with you Paul. On the subject of adding three extra blocks to a mainsheet which sometimes already struggles with friction, just so that it leads aft.

    On another thread, you wrote: "Nothing new or original with leading the sheet back to the hatchway in this manner. I had it on LC and Annie and Pete had it on Badger, Annie also had it on Fantail and now on Fanshi.  If you don't lead all your lines back to the hatch/pramhood you are missing out on a key feature of the junk rig. Namely the ability to control the sail without having to go on deck.".

    Well, a line can lead to a point, from any direction.

    My argument is this: with the layout of Pango, this mainsheet arrangement actually makes it necessary for Zane to go on deck to adjust his mainsheet, if he needs to heave on it, wheras if the mainsheet were to lead forward directly from the sheeting position, he would be able to attend to his sheets most conveniently while standing in his rear-facing scuttle/hatchway without going on deck - as well as saving three blocks and the extra friction added.

    It seems to me the arrangement on Pango achieves exactly the opposite to what your are claiming it achieves - at a cost and with no benefit.

    (PS I'm completely in agreement with you regarding protein in the stew - I have been on a missionary-free diet for many years, and have no cravings).

    Well actually no Graeme, you can handle the mainsheet without going on deck or even leaving the companion hatch. It terminates on the port side of the hatch within easy reach. The load on the line in the 15 odd kts of wind that we had on Saturday was light and I could easily handle it with one hand.

    The three blocks are ball bearing and add very little to the friction of the line. I think you are confusing the high friction of the previous Lewmar DB2 clutches with the actual friction of the line, which is very low.

    I like the system and feel it gives me exactly what I want. I use it on my mainsheet onboard Almanda (though for different reasons), even there I do not find any excessive friction.

    Now regarding missionaries, we are in complete agreement. Happy to leave the indigestion of missionaries to Zane and Marcus!


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  • 24 Apr 2022 06:29
    Reply # 12737121 on 12735654
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Now I am stuck inside  by the rain, so just for fun I am going to start a friendly argument with you Paul. On the subject of adding three extra blocks to a mainsheet which sometimes already struggles with friction, just so that it leads aft.

    On another thread, you wrote: "Nothing new or original with leading the sheet back to the hatchway in this manner. I had it on LC and Annie and Pete had it on Badger, Annie also had it on Fantail and now on Fanshi.  If you don't lead all your lines back to the hatch/pramhood you are missing out on a key feature of the junk rig. Namely the ability to control the sail without having to go on deck.".

    Well, a line can lead to a point, from any direction.

    My argument is this: with the layout of Pango, this mainsheet arrangement actually makes it necessary for Zane to go on deck to adjust his mainsheet, if he needs to heave on it, wheras if the mainsheet were to lead forward directly from the sheeting position, he would be able to attend to his sheets most conveniently while standing in his rear-facing scuttle/hatchway without going on deck - as well as saving three blocks and the extra friction added.

    It seems to me the arrangement on Pango achieves exactly the opposite to what your are claiming it achieves - at a cost and with no benefit.

    (PS I'm completely in agreement with you regarding protein in the stew - I have been on a missionary-free diet for many years, and have no cravings).

    Last modified: 24 Apr 2022 11:35 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 24 Apr 2022 02:13
    Reply # 12736381 on 12736348
    Anonymous wrote:

    I presume you are suggesting the missionary would be in the pot, with the vegetables. I don't think that ever actually happened in New Zealand, though there is other evidence of a shortage of protein at various times in our early history.

    These days, beans will do. I am sure Annie has some good recipes.

    The only place for a missionary :-)! However both Annie and I have some great recipes for bean stews... which likely will taste better and be healthier!

  • 24 Apr 2022 01:46
    Reply # 12736348 on 12735654
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I presume you are suggesting the missionary would be in the pot, with the vegetables. I don't think that ever actually happened in New Zealand, though there is other evidence of a shortage of protein at various times in our early history.

    These days, beans will do. I am sure Annie has some good recipes.

    Last modified: 24 Apr 2022 01:57 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 24 Apr 2022 01:21
    Reply # 12736313 on 12736295
    A big pot of stew you reckon Graeme?  Maybe everyone should contribute their best homemade pot recipes for me ha ha!  Then I will invite yee all down for supper, some brews, and a sing-along!

    Well no lack of missionaries in NZ.... however, I'm vegan so it will have to be a bean stew.....

  • 24 Apr 2022 01:07
    Reply # 12736295 on 12735654

    Yeah those DB2 clutches were shockers.....more expensive, with way more friction.  More at home on some big pointy rig racing machine than my little boat.  
    The DB1's, which as Paul indicates, I should have got in the first place, are excellent.

    I will let you guys haggle about the main-sheet arrangement....far too techy for me :-)

    A big pot of stew you reckon Graeme?  Maybe everyone should contribute their best homemade pot recipes for me ha ha!  Then I will invite yee all down for supper, some brews, and a sing-along!

  • 24 Apr 2022 00:52
    Reply # 12736214 on 12736097
    I wonder how many people have noticed the interesting and simple way the sail is laced to the battens. And that lazyjack spider web. Have you got rid of the excessive friction in the sheeting system yet? I still disagree with bringing the main sheet forward then back to the cockpit through a lazy block. Three too many blocks. Tell me I'm wrong someone!

    (I read somewhere there is an old sailor's curse, though I have never heard it used in practice: "fat lines and small blocks to you!" or something to that effect).

    In the next video I want to see Zane in the galley, cooking up a good winter stew, everything chucked into one big pot, and a large mug of coffee.

    Keep the narrative going Zane, as you commence to extend your cruising range. Keep this stuff all in one place. One day you will be glad you did.

    Graeme, the excessive friction was caused by Zane installing the wrong rope clutches. I'd advised him to install Lewmar DB1's which are the best clutches that I know of. However he installed Lewmar DB2's which is the high load version of the DB1 and it has a lot more internal friction than the DB1's. Not a problem in a high load situation but a real pain for a tiny boat like Zane's. He now has DB1's and the problem is gone.

    The lazy jacks are now my standard arrangement.

    The lacing of the sail to the boom works well, although time consuming to rig. It does have a major advantage in that you can swap sides if you change mind about which side (of the mast) you want the sail on (which Zane did...) and can put larger battens in if need be.

    We will have to agree to differ on the way I lead the main sheet but I'm in good company as it's the same arrangement that both Annie and Alan use. I find it most convenient.

    The old curse was "large lines and small blocks, light and variable, a rolling sea and rain too you". The large lines part was a reference to hemp and manila lines that swelled when they got wet, leading to the lines jamming in the blocks if they were to small.

    Last modified: 24 Apr 2022 04:29 | Anonymous member
  • 23 Apr 2022 23:42
    Reply # 12736097 on 12735654
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    Its been great to see how Pango has been improved, starting from day 1, and the support from Paul, and Marcus, and the way the boat has evolved, the videos you have made - I rather wish all your posts about Pango were together in one thread because there is a story there.

    I think there will be more to come, maybe some winter sailing in the near future - maybe a summer cruise next year. In the meantime it was good to see a few glimpses of the Hauraki Gulf, the old landmarks - and that powerful little sail, cut  with its large-angle shelf. It certainly seems to do the job. I wonder how many people have noticed the interesting and simple way the sail is laced to the battens. And that lazyjack spider web. Have you got rid of the excessive friction in the sheeting system yet? I still disagree with bringing the main sheet forward then back to the cockpit through a lazy block. Three too many blocks. Tell me I'm wrong someone!

    (I read somewhere there is an old sailor's curse, though I have never heard it used in practice: "fat lines and small blocks to you!" or something to that effect).

    In the next video I want to see Zane in the galley, cooking up a good winter stew, everything chucked into one big pot, and a large mug of coffee.

    Keep the narrative going Zane, as you commence to extend your cruising range. Keep this stuff all in one place. One day you will be glad you did.

    Last modified: 23 Apr 2022 23:46 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 23 Apr 2022 20:52
    Message # 12735654

    Hey guys,

    I've posted a few short videos as Paul and I decided yesterday was the best forecast weather of this current long weekend in NZ to get out and test out Pango's updated rig.

    Any technical questions will be best answered by Paul on this thread, but for now, still a few little tweaks needed which we will do over time.

    Needless to say it felt great to get out and sail for the first time in two years, with Pango now having a sealed and way stronger hull/deck joint, and added Pilot House for head-room and visibility down below -- I made a few other changes from adding an improved locker for fuel, plust some changes below to better improve her limited storage -- will do video tour of all these changes sometime in the future. 

    Pango sail 1

    Pango sail 2

    Pango sail 3

    Pango sail 4

    Pango sail 5

    Pango sail 6



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