Moody Halberdier proof of conformity document

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  • 25 Oct 2021 23:13
    Reply # 11928488 on 11140035

    Hans-Erik,
    Your message is a source of joy and your encouragements give me strength in my administrative hassles.
    I know how far you live from us and if I can't share a beer with you, be sure I feel your kindness and your support across and over the equator!
    Yes, there will be more adventures.
    And I hope I'll read yours someday!

  • 25 Oct 2021 17:18
    Reply # 11916498 on 11140035

    The End

    (???)

    NO!!!

    There will be other stories!

    Patrick if, while you were writing your blog and after you posted it to the web, you wondered whether anyone other than family and friends would give a damn about your highs, lows and adventure stop.
    There is a South African who was absolutely enthralled and highly engaged whilst reading your words, admiring your images and watching your video clips.
    I am 100% certain that I am not the only such person.

    I have read too of your boat registration hassles.

    You are not permitted to give up.

    Not on the dream,

    Not on China Blue,

    And

    Never on those who love you.

    (Whether it be South Africa or anywhere else I shall happily catch and make fast your mooring line.)


    Last modified: 25 Oct 2021 17:24 | Anonymous member
  • 25 Oct 2021 16:54
    Reply # 11915536 on 11140035

    Hi Kris,

    Thank you for your informations. For the moment I still will try to obtain a french registration. If it fails, then... I'll may turn to a polish flag.

    Regards,
    Patrick

  • 25 Oct 2021 12:16
    Reply # 11905726 on 11853164
    Anonymous wrote:

    And meanwhile, as I am about to decide wether China Blue is going to be french, british, polish or just a ghost ship ...
    ... here is a link to the website relating our story, since its puchase in Glasgow to its home port in France: 

    https://leblanc.pl/china_blue/

    Feel free to comment, criticize, suggest corrections, etc.

    Sincere thanks and regards to all,
    Patrick

    Hello Patrick,

    Some time ago I described the process of registering recreational sailing yacht under the Polish flag. Since things are a matter of change only today I asked the PYA about your and the similar case. See correspondence below. This is translation from Polish. The Polish original is available.

    Question:

    "Good morning,

    Is any CE documentation required for the registration process of a yacht currently bought from outside the EU, e.g. from the UK, but manufactured in the 1970s in the UK - such as Moody or Nicholson?"

    Answer:

    "Sir,

    Due to the introduction of the nationwide boat registration system Reja 24 - https://teresant.reja24.gov.pl/zareawod-konto, from 01/08/2020, boat registration can be made in several ways. This system allows you to register your boat yourself via the platform on the Internet, you can also go to the starosty in the place of residence. From August 1, 2020, we are unable to accept registration applications electronically sent to e-mail addresses or in the form of documents sent via the Polish Post.

    Standard documents needed to register in the new system:

    1) Proof of purchase of the boat (invoice, purchase contract - if the contract is in a language other than Polish, the contract must be translated by a sworn translator).

    2) Technical documents confirming the length and width of the boat and technical documents confirming the data of the installed engine - manufacturer, power, engine number - it may be a CE document, it may also be an opinion issued by a measurer or inspector. If the boat is mass-produced, please visit the manufacturer's website - it can only be the manufacturer's website, a specific boat model and download technical data, and I suggest doing the same in the case of an engine. In addition, you will need photos of the rating plates that appear on the engine (power and engine number), a hull number plate - should be on the boat, and a design category sticker with the total number of people that may be on the boat.

    3) Confirmation of de-registration of the boat from another register - if the boat is registered in a register other than Polish.

    4) Registration Fee.

    Therefore, in order to register, please visit the website www.reja24.gov.pl, you should set up a Customer Account there (you will need an electronic signature or e-puap). After creating the Account, select "Registration of the unit" - just like you would register the unit on your own.

    regards"

    To my surprise, I can see the Polish law and practice is (presently) quite friendly and open towards sailors, at least regarding the non-commercial yacht register.

    If you wish, we may try, with no cost to you in case of failure.

    Kris



  • 24 Oct 2021 10:27
    Reply # 11853164 on 11140035

    And meanwhile, as I am about to decide wether China Blue is going to be french, british, polish or just a ghost ship ...
    ... here is a link to the website relating our story, since its puchase in Glasgow to its home port in France: 

    https://leblanc.pl/china_blue/

    Feel free to comment, criticize, suggest corrections, etc.

    Sincere thanks and regards to all,
    Patrick

  • 20 Oct 2021 14:35
    Reply # 11665668 on 11656251
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    Hello Eric,

    I wish things were as simple, and I would like to know exactly how you would do (which authority, which process...). The people at the "DI Bretagne Pays de la Loire - Bureau de Lorient - Service Navigation" want a "lettre de pavillon", no way otherwise.


    A "lettre de pavillon" has nothing to do with technical issues.

    It is only  a letter from the UK authority (I don't know wich one) that state that the boat has resigned the UK registration. The interntional rules state that a boat can't be registered into two different countries. So before registering in France the registration in UK must be cancelled and the French administration wants a formal statement of that fact.

    In the case of the X, I provided a letter from the Dannish administration, that stated that in Denmark the boats less than 12m were not registered.

    For Mingming, she was not registered in UK and the private contract between Roger and me stated that the boat was not anymore registered in UK.

    So you must ask the seller to request the UK administration in charge of vessel administration a statement saying that the boat is no longer registered in UK or that it was not registered. The previous owner will probably have to formally cancell the UK registration (It should be a very formal and easy process (famouss last word !!! But I trust in GBland administration).

    Eric

    Last modified: 20 Oct 2021 14:41 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 20 Oct 2021 14:24
    Reply # 11665268 on 11656251
    Anonymous wrote:

    Hello Eric,

    I wish things were as simple, and I would like to know exactly how you would do (which authority, which process...). The people at the "DI Bretagne Pays de la Loire - Bureau de Lorient - Service Navigation" want a "lettre de pavillon", no way otherwise.

    I just had a negative reply from the UK ship register, on the ground that I am ot a UK resident. I have again asked them to reconsider, since the co-owner is UK resident and UK citizen.

    I'm really fed up. In the worst of the case I will have to try and sell back the boat in the UK and end of the story.

    Jus had the answer from the UKSSR : All owners have to be UK residents.
    So I can't get the UK flag.
    I am more and more pissed up...
  • 20 Oct 2021 09:58
    Reply # 11656251 on 11140035

    Hello Eric,

    I wish things were as simple, and I would like to know exactly how you would do (which authority, which process...). The people at the "DI Bretagne Pays de la Loire - Bureau de Lorient - Service Navigation" want a "lettre de pavillon", no way otherwise.

    I just had a negative reply from the UK ship register, on the ground that I am ot a UK resident. I have again asked them to reconsider, since the co-owner is UK resident and UK citizen.

    I'm really fed up. In the worst of the case I will have to try and sell back the boat in the UK and end of the story.

  • 19 Oct 2021 12:24
    Reply # 11618319 on 11140035
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Bonjour Patrick

    I have two boats, one X95 from the 1985 and Mingming that is about the same age.

    I imported both to France, the X from Dannemark and Mingming from Great Britain.

    I had no problem with the French administrations (both Custom and Maritime administration are involved for the X and Maritime administration for Mingming).

    Both were built far before any EU certification process.

    The rule that was applied is that if the boat was "industially" build in a <<european country it could be imported in france, as a French boat older than the EU certification process can be sold in France without problem.

    In the case of UK I don't know if that rule still applies.

    Eric


  • 18 Oct 2021 20:51
    Reply # 11597087 on 11563019
    Anonymous wrote:

    Hello Patrick, 


    at first: I am not firm in french legacy-themes.

    But I can tell you how this EU wide problem is handled in Austria and so far I know in Germany. I would expect, that there could be the same EU-conform way in France.

    The beginning point is the EU-directive 2013/53/EU. In the national laws in GER and AUT this directive was implemented with some EU-conform exceptions, eg. plans before 1950, self building … etc. One of these excemptions says, that a recreation-vessel does not need a CE if it has been put into circulation into the EU before the 15.June 1998.

    To confirm this the authorities in Austria want a proof, eg. a (even private) sales-bill, bills from marinas or shipyards, old register-listing and so on with a date before 15.06.1998 and a location in the EU. UK was an EU-member in that time as we remember  ;-).

    We had no problem to register our Newbridge-Coromandel in Austria in 2015. Our proof for the excemption was the copy of the bill from the first owner when he sold the boat to our pre-owner in 1997.


    Maybe you can do some recherché in this way before you change your residence to Virgin Islands or so ;-). 

    I hope that I could show you a practicable solution even for France.


    Michael


    Thank you Michaël,

    From what I understood here (and I may be wrong), if a boat was too old to have a CE certification, then it should undergo a survey in order to have a french flag. No way for me.

    I asked an english friend (a good friend :)) to be co-owner of the boat, so that it could be SSR registered. Up to ow this has come up as the best solution.

    Time will tell!

    Patrick

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