SNODDERS' SNOTTERS

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  • 09 May 2012 09:39
    Reply # 915337 on 914704
    Gary, Thanks.  My orange rope has now had four years in the sun and has not apparently deteriorated  yet.  As regards golf balls, there is a thought ... Maybe I could train the dogs and go for a walk alongside the local golf course ...
  • 09 May 2012 08:43
    Reply # 915328 on 914704
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    No worries Jonathan, you can now colour coordinate the little buggers..
    Failing that, drill holes through golf balls (amazing what a scan through sailnet.com turns up).
    BTW, I thought that orange poly rope dies of UV.
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  • 09 May 2012 08:35
    Reply # 915326 on 914704

    Peter, Yes Knight's military surplus store in Mutton Cove is still there.  It is always known locally and vulgarly as Bogey Knight's - so it might be a good place to find Snotters!  They stock all sorts and sizes of rope except polyethelyne.  The orange polyethelyne rope is very distinct from the usual agricultural polypopelyne, usually blue.  The polyethelyne is strange, stiff, slippery stuff.  Robin Blain has been a fan of  it for years for luff parrels because it is so slippery.  I know that some others hate it.  It is certainly odd to handle and difficult to knot securely.  The polypropelyne rope surface abraids ands fluffs up; the polyethelyne resists abrasion and stays smooth and slippery.  However, I understand that it is only available in one size, but fortunately that happens to be a reasonable size for the luff parrels on Lexia. 

    Gary, Thank you for the introduction to the wonderful world of coloured plastic beads in all shapes and sizes.  As I understand it, the layman's word plastic covers a multitude of different materials.  I presume, however, that the plastic beads you have spotted would be fine. 

  • 09 May 2012 06:58
    Reply # 915296 on 914704
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    Would plastic beads do?
    Duckworks have them.
  • 09 May 2012 06:42
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    Jonathan Snodgrass wrote:

    I did suggest to Robin that I might try initially to make Agar Loops using the slippery orange polyethelyne without the balls and rely on the slipperyness of  the rope.  Robin doubted that this would work. 

    However, is the polyethelyne slippery rope avaible in bigger diameters?  I understand from Robin that it is not.  Someone else may know differently. 

     

    Jonathan

    You might try you nearest military surplus warehouse...  I know that the Navy surplus in Mutton Cove, Plymouth, used to have yards of the stuff in a range of diameters, but it has been, probably, three years since I last paid a visit.  

    With regard to the tapered mast, that is something of a challenge..... my immediate thought is to use some bungee chord in addition to the rope... so as the mast tapers the bungee chord tightens the snotter..... maybe this would work in light airs, but of course in a blow it might not be so effective.

    Peter

  • 09 May 2012 05:10
    Reply # 915255 on 914704
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    JR evolution marches on.. those parrel beads are a great idea. I looked at what PJR had to say about short batten parrels (fig 3.30), it doesn't recommend them on larger craft (but worked successfully on smaller craft - like Jester), saying friction is the problem and tapered mast causes issues too. Beads might solve all that.
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  • 08 May 2012 23:57
    Reply # 915092 on 914704
    Brian, Also thanks to you.  All useful.  Jonathan
  • 08 May 2012 23:51
    Reply # 915091 on 914704

    David,

    Thank you for that.  I do recall the diagram, I think, and will look when I am able to get to my PJR.  In the meantime if any technowizard wishes to scan it and post it here, then that would be amazing to this technozero.  (But not if that would have copyright implications!) 

    "Standing luff parrels coming back onto same batten with parrel balls"  is not a very snappy title! How about Ager Loops?  

    Then the first question is: would the Ager loops provide sufficient of the function of the batten parrels?  Clearly there would be an argument in favour of removing the batten parrels to reduce their drag on lifting or lowering the sail.  Even with the batten parrels made in the slippery orange polyethelyne rope (7 mm ?) the drag is significant. 

    I did suggest to Robin that I might try initially to make Agar Loops using the slippery orange polyethelyne without the balls and rely on the slipperyness of  the rope.  Robin doubted that this would work. 

    However, is the polyethelyne slippery rope avaible in bigger diameters?  I understand from Robin that it is not.  Someone else may know differently. 

    I might do a trial initially with just the slippery orange rope to get some idea of what may happen.  If so I would need an easy way of joining the slippery orange rope to form a loop; it is not easy to knot.  I may lay the ends together and try joining with zip ties. 

    Interestingly, I am rapidly convincing myself of the merits of the current set up! 

    We shall see ...

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  • 08 May 2012 23:50
    Reply # 915090 on 914704
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    Jonathan

    Having just helped my daughter plan the rigging of her new old now Alps-based Kingfisher 20 junk (Newsletter 59 refers), doing so brought the term snotter back to mind (much to the amusement of her four year old son). I'm pretty sure the yard hauling parrel is referred to as such in the K20's rigging instructions, though I haven't looked. I'm sure that's where I first same across it when we had a K20. As to standing luff parrels, yes indeed. 

    As David implies, you could have problems on tapered masts as the SLPs will tend to go slack as you hoist. 

    And do keep your battens parrelled.
  • 08 May 2012 22:08
    Reply # 915011 on 914704
    Jonathan,
    You might indeed think of these standing luff parrels as a form of short batten parrel. Have a look at PJR fig 3.30 when you get the chance.
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