Charging Up to Hybrid

  • 10 Dec 2019 23:33
    Reply # 8239009 on 8133077

    I've been eyeballing these:

    https://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/sevcon-brushless-sailboat-kit-5kw.html

    https://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/sevcon-brushless-sailboat-kit-10.5kw.html

    Not sure how they compare with the QuietTorque but price is way lower and they're also 48 VDC brushless motors.

    The reason for me to throw out my perfectly working diesel engine is that it barely fits in the engine room and maintenance is a nightmare due to the cockpit footwell taking up most of the remaining space. To access the back of the engine (or the filters, external cooling, gearbox/propshaft, batteries...) one has to be an advanced yoga master when going in through the lazarette and then somehow bend oneself in ways not possible for me, in order to reach most parts of the "engine room". I replaced a 120 Ah battery and that's something I would definitely not want to do again and I will have to next spring...

    Options for me (pros/cons off the top of my head):

    1. Inboard electric
    Pros:
    - Virtually maintenance-free
    - Silent
    - Responsive (starts immediately, instant full torque)
    - Doesn't require dinosaur juice
    - Weight of batteries can be effectively distributed
    Cons:
    - Expensive (batteries + charging) if long range is required

    2. Remove the cockpit footwell (flush with the seats) and keep the diesel
    Pros:
    - Space to work on the engine
    - Safety in rough weather (getting pooped)
    Cons:
    - Lowers resale value (but JR conversion will do that in any case, not a real consideration)

    3. Replace with outboard engine
    Pros:
    - Inexpensive
    - Easy maintenance
    - Easy to replace anywhere anytime
    - Combined with 2 (removing the footwell) would gain lots of space inside
    - Get rid of prop+shaft (no leaking & improve sailing performance)
    Cons:
    - Horrible in a seaway with prop coming out of the water
    - Aesthetically non-pleasing

    At this point I'm torn between 1 and 2. Due to the hull shape (double-ender) an outboard well isn't really an option, otherwise 3 would be almost a no-brainer.

  • 03 Dec 2019 23:42
    Reply # 8169648 on 8169131
    Anonymous wrote:
    Jim wrote:

    My motor arrived FedEx about 5 hours ago. It's been like unwrapping Christmas presents. The die is cast. The only direction now is forward!

    Wot, no reverse?? Send it back!

    Ooops.... I forgot to ask....
  • 03 Dec 2019 22:19
    Reply # 8169131 on 8168137
    Jim wrote:

    My motor arrived FedEx about 5 hours ago. It's been like unwrapping Christmas presents. The die is cast. The only direction now is forward!

    Wot, no reverse?? Send it back!
  • 03 Dec 2019 19:51
    Reply # 8168137 on 8133077

    My motor arrived FedEx about 5 hours ago. It's been like unwrapping Christmas presents. The die is cast. The only direction now is forward!

  • 03 Dec 2019 16:08
    Reply # 8166603 on 8159455

    Panels are Sanyo (now Panasonic)"hit"panels around 57 volts. I can take the panels down in just a couple of minutes if need be. Most importantly they can angle towards the sun.

     The Rolls "house" 6 volt batteries are 12+ years old and are mainly for the windlass and led lighting. The 8d batteries will be replaced hopefully with lithium one day. Less weight with more useful capacity etc. etc. The "Outback" solar controller is showing  76.8 volts IN and 53.4 OUT(on a hazy day) with these Sanyo panels.

      Most build a tower for solar panels. Since I don't sit in the cockpit, I placed them where I can angle or remove them quickly. Also, any loose sheets won't get entangled.

     I have 2 dedicated 100 watt solar panels for the house battery. They are attached to a pole that can be securely lashed at various places around the boat. The 220 watt panels are used only for propulsion and when I run refrigeration.

      I have had this set up for a few years and would do it again.

    Thanks for all those pictures. They are worth thousands..... How you get the best out of your panels by improvising.

    And thanks for your upbeat report. :-)

  • 03 Dec 2019 15:34
    Reply # 8166354 on 8153813

    David wrote:

    A 250 watt solar panel could be fitted as a kind of bimini, 



    This arrangement makes a lot of sense. Also, the frame can act as an additional handhold while getting up on deck (cabin top). The steps are deep making it awkward to climb. 

    I like the simplicity of your suggestion. I found a few examples online for inspiration.

    I was concerned about the negative effect of shading by masts, etc.one hears about. But I understand that bypass diodes are being fitted to the newer models. I checked with the people who sell the model you suggested and they said: 

    Yes, the 250W solar panel you are talking about is fitted with bypass diodes to protect solar cells in heavy shade.
  • 02 Dec 2019 23:18
    Reply # 8159455 on 8146716
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    My batteries are  a holding bank where you put energy in just as efficiently as you draw out. I have never regretted large hi voltage solar panels (higher than 52 volts will charge bank without combining panels together). Solar panels are my main power source. I had to make room for them on NA29 but your boat should be easier. discounts on the same unit.
    Do you have any pictures of your solar panel installation on Pake to show us?

    Panels are Sanyo (now Panasonic)"hit"panels around 57 volts. I can take the panels down in just a couple of minutes if need be. Most importantly they can angle towards the sun.

     The Rolls "house" 6 volt batteries are 12+ years old and are mainly for the windlass and led lighting. The 8d batteries will be replaced hopefully with lithium one day. Less weight with more useful capacity etc. etc. The "Outback" solar controller is showing  76.8 volts IN and 53.4 OUT(on a hazy day) with these Sanyo panels.

      Most build a tower for solar panels. Since I don't sit in the cockpit, I placed them where I can angle or remove them quickly. Also, any loose sheets won't get entangled.

     I have 2 dedicated 100 watt solar panels for the house battery. They are attached to a pole that can be securely lashed at various places around the boat. The 220 watt panels are used only for propulsion and when I run refrigeration.

      I have had this set up for a few years and would do it again.

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  • 02 Dec 2019 11:06
    Reply # 8153813 on 8148302
    Anonymous wrote:
    Jim wrote:
    David wrote:

    A 250 watt solar panel could be fitted as a kind of bimini, where a full width sprayhood normally goes over the companionway.

    How would you see a panel or panels mounted on my "Baby Badger". I'm set up like the original Badger except I have a usual companionway, with a pram hood for the sliding hatch. Has anyone with a Badger mounted panels off the stern, over a wind vane self-steering gear?


    The only way I can make sense of it, to get enough voltage and power, is to make a frame that goes from just aft of the mainmast, over the companionway and over part of the cockpit. This would have to have enough area to mount two of those 250W panels  or similar in series, so as to get a maximum power voltage of at least 20% more than your 48V batteries - at least 58V, which would be similar to the well-known scenario of charging a 12V battery at 14.4V.

    Two of those semi-flexible panels, mounted on a base of thin plywood, mounted on a supportive frame, would be about the least you could get away with, I think, covering an area 1700mm x 2000m or 3400mm x 1000mm. That would be the minimum. If you could fit a pair of larger panels in this way, I think you should.


    This arrangement makes a lot of sense. Also, the frame can act as an additional handhold while getting up on deck (cabin top). The steps are deep making it awkward to climb. 
  • 01 Dec 2019 22:16
    Reply # 8148302 on 8147733
    Jim wrote:
    David wrote:

    A 250 watt solar panel could be fitted as a kind of bimini, where a full width sprayhood normally goes over the companionway.

    How would you see a panel or panels mounted on my "Baby Badger". I'm set up like the original Badger except I have a usual companionway, with a pram hood for the sliding hatch. Has anyone with a Badger mounted panels off the stern, over a wind vane self-steering gear?


    The only way I can make sense of it, to get enough voltage and power, is to make a frame that goes from just aft of the mainmast, over the companionway and over part of the cockpit. This would have to have enough area to mount two of those 250W panels  or similar in series, so as to get a maximum power voltage of at least 20% more than your 48V batteries - at least 58V, which would be similar to the well-known scenario of charging a 12V battery at 14.4V.

    Two of those semi-flexible panels, mounted on a base of thin plywood, mounted on a supportive frame, would be about the least you could get away with, I think, covering an area 1700mm x 2000m or 3400mm x 1000mm. That would be the minimum. If you could fit a pair of larger panels in this way, I think you should.

  • 01 Dec 2019 20:50
    Reply # 8147733 on 8137951
    Anonymous wrote:
    David wrote:

     Nestaway Boats is a good place to compare four direct equivalents: Suzuki and Lehr 2.5HP petrol/gas, Epropulsion Spirit and Torqeedo 1103 1KW electric.

    Photonic Universe is a good place to look at solar panels, wind turbines and controllers.

    In practical terms, it would appear that an Epropulsion Spirit would fit into the well of my Hunter Duette, and more importantly, could be fairly easily lifted out of the well  and stored, when I'm at anchor or on a long passage, which the current Tohatsu 6 can't. 

    A 250 watt solar panel could be fitted as a kind of bimini, where a full width sprayhood normally goes over the companionway. With a 30A MPPT controller to make the most of this and my existing 100 watt panel, I think I could get the equivalent in performance of a 2.5HP petrol or propane outboard, with adequate recharging, at a "trifling" 3.3 times the cost

    Thanks for these links, David. It's an interesting, evolving technology that can only improve with experience. The big challenge, of course, is range. Meanwhile, we'ill do the best we can with what we have; as in, living within our means.

    How would you see a panel or panels mounted on my "Baby Badger". I'm set up like the original Badger except I have a usual companionway, with a pram hood for the sliding hatch. Has anyone with a Badger mounted panels off the stern, over a wind vane self-steering gear?


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