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  • 26 Sep 2017 12:30
    Reply # 5279795 on 5276531
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    The yard I made for Malena‘s first flat junksail, back in 1990, was built from spruce, right from the plans in PJR, p.152, including the steel yard sling plate (p. 154). This (94 x 62mm) turned out to be good (B=4.60m, SA=32m2). When I switched to cambered panel sail in 1994, I didn’t think of the extra load it would add to the yard, but in the end, it held up very well, including the last JRA-rally in Stavanger in 2010. Then it had probably not seen any oil or paint for the last ten years.

    The Oslo-dinghy Broremann also had a wooden yard (2.50m) made in the same way, and it worked fine.

    When I made Johanna’s sail (B=5,8m, SA=48m2), I again made the yard from wood, in the same way. However, this turned out way to heavy. I guess the cube law kicked in (one additional reason may have been that it was of pine instead of spruce.). I therefore had another  one made from aluminium, with the main tube of 65 x 3.5mm and a 4m long bracing tube at 25 x 3mm, welded to it . This worked well after I had re-welded the brace, but the yard struggled a bit sideways.

    When a copy of that sail was made for Edmond Dantes, the main tube for the yard was 80 x 5mm and with a 50 x 1.5mm tube just clamped, bolted and glued on top of it.

    On later boats, Frøken Sørensen and now Ingeborg, I have copied the Edmond Dantes method, These yards appear to be stiff and strong, and are not terribly heavy.

    On the ED-style yards, I fit no yard sling plate. I just attach the halyard end and blocks with some sort of rolling hitch. Remember, one can easily glue on small stop blocks if one is afraid the slingpoint will slide. Personally I find that easy, but care must be taken to prevent the yard from ‘capsizing’.

    Arne


  • 26 Sep 2017 09:40
    Reply # 5279583 on 5276531
    Deleted user

    Well, I have to agree with Kurt as well. When we first fitted the new sail on Footprints I used a new aluminium tube yard which should have done the job, but for 3 successive years bent in the middle, but I was able to flip it over so it straightened out, and then bent the other way. It finally developed a fatal 30 degree bend. I then dug my solid, heavy, original timber yard out of the wood pile at the back of the shed and refurbished it. It had some rot in it which I easily repaired with some good old epoxy and a few scrap pieces of timber. The yard does develop a little bit of a bend sometimes, but it always straightens out when the load comes off. Every now and then I talk about a carbon tube yard, but really there is no advantage in that, and with the 4:1 purchase on the halyard the apparent weight saving would not be that great.

    The timber yard is built to PJR specs for a timber yard matched to the size of my sail.

    When changing back to the timber yard I threw away the heavy metal yard sling and glassed a piece of plastic tube onto the underside of the yard as a location for the Spectra lashing for the halyard block. This works well and saved probably at least 5kg in weight.

     

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  • 25 Sep 2017 21:56
    Reply # 5278946 on 5278905
    Ketil Greve wrote:

    After bending 3 yards, I think you are right.

    Are you able to tell the stories of these, with dimensions, weather conditions, sea state, reefing, etc.? I think the experience could be valuable.
  • 25 Sep 2017 21:34
    Reply # 5278921 on 5276531

    I must confess, that my own conviction is that 'wood is good' and that 'good wood is better.'  I've never broken a yard, but have over 120,000 miles broken about 10 wooden battens.  They were easy to repair.  I've bent one alloy yard and two T6 battens.  They were impossible to repair.  The battens were prone to bending again after being - more or less - straightened.  If I have time, I shall make carefully-seasoned bamboo battens for SibLim.

  • 25 Sep 2017 21:10
    Reply # 5278905 on 5276531

    Kurt,

    After bending 3 yards, I think you are right.

    Thanks for reminding me.

    Ketil.

  • 24 Sep 2017 06:12
    Message # 5276531

    Some 'Humble opinions about yards...'

    A yard needs to be a beam in every direction. I don't think it should be strengthened (like a bridge girder) for lifting, if in the design it's weaker sideways, for the sake of lightness. If it was strong enough in all directions before, it didn't need that truss-style weldment on top. Just makes it heavier...

    If a yard is lifted with a two-point bridle or sailcloth triangle, and the triangle is high rather than low and flat, that's all good for lifting too, but if it's also made lighter and thus weaker sideways, it's feeble against all the other ways the sea will try to bend it.

    And if this bridle/fabric triangle is low and flat, the poor yard faces the same forces at sea as any yard would, with the complication of an induced compression load between the bridle points, accentuating the tendency to let some dynamic load bend it out of column.

    Gusts and wild waves don't make the sail heavier to hold up.

    Among the fine materials for yards: Timber, guided by traditional scantlings, is one that offers toughness and forgiveness, and a good record of not fatiguing in secret or breaking at wee scratches.

    For halyard attachment: Lashings, with several wraps around the yard, and a flexible connection - innately forgiving and robust, cheap and replaceable. Not the only way, of course.

    Finally, why a lightweight yard? - unless you have carbon masts and gossamer sails and a yard downhaul to bring it down, and you want a faster roll period. Or your boat takes water over the rail when you only step aboard.

    Kurt

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