Lazy Jack (sail Bundle lift)

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  • 02 Jun 2016 01:35
    Reply # 4052108 on 4048068
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    Annie,

    Thanks for the suggestion and the compliments on our boat. We spent the day today at the dentist and painting the cabin house. 

    The 1 time we tried leaving the sail in ready position it chafed nice deep grooves in the mast. We didn't realize that kind of chafe could occur in 12 hours! I will have to post photos. 

    Even with the sail bundle lashed in that position it still seems to chafe, that's why we end up lowering it into the cradle each anchorage. Then the following morning it's time to climb on top and heft the sail out of the cradles.

  • 31 May 2016 22:15
    Reply # 4049799 on 4048068
    Hi Jamie - I was just about to reply to your email, now I don't have to :-)  Welcome aboard - good to have you here.

    Don't worry too much about posting in the fora - we are used to looking at people's albums and can blow the photos up to full screen size if we want to see more detail.

    Having looked at your photos (and that's some big fish you're having a smooch with!), I'd reckon your best bet would be simply to shorten the topping lifts and hoist the sail up into its working position.  I see no reason to lower the whole sail so far down the mast each time you come to anchor.  Once you have it sitting in its normal location, you can attach a quick system of lines so that you can triangulate the bundle to stop it thrashing about.  Those tripod attachments on the wheelhouse look made for the job.

    Thymallus Arcticus looks like a grand little ship.  Those Benford 30s must be the biggest little boats around.  I see you have a Sigmar stove - apparently the best there is.  The boat looks very cosy and attractive, you must be thrilled with her.  Best of luck getting your sail sorted.

  • 31 May 2016 20:11
    Reply # 4049525 on 4048068
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    Not sure how to post photos in text yet; bear with me as I learn our forum. I have begun posting photos of S/V Thymallus Arcticus in an album of the same name. Not sure if you can see my photos there but there are photos of our topping lift/lazyjack/cradle system.

  • 31 May 2016 16:25
    Reply # 4049207 on 4048068
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    With our pilothouse design we are limited with our options. We have a fixed cradle (not a crutch or gallows) that we need to lift the sail out of. To get the sail into position it needs to be raised about 24" before it will clear the top of that cradle.

     I could dispense with this cradle some day, but it is very nice to drop the sail in and not worry about it. I think everything will be more clear with photos this afternoon. 

  • 31 May 2016 08:32
    Reply # 4048424 on 4048068

    James, I agree with Arne. Get the heavy sail bundle to the position it needs to be, just once, and leave it there. I use fixed Amsteel topping lifts, and rig a lashing between that and the sail bundle in such a way that it acts as a tackle when setting up the rig, then I tie it off at the middle of the boom and forget about it. I don't use gallows, but just tie some triangulating lines from the sail bundle to the deck to prevent swinging. 

  • 31 May 2016 08:25
    Reply # 4048417 on 4048068
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    James, just a quick thought.

    None of my boats have had running topping lifts, much for the reason you describe; it is quite a job to raise and lower the bundle (a suitable purchase could sort that out). What about having standing lazyjacks and then raise and lower the crutch/gallow in stead? After all, the main purpose of the gallow is not to carry the weight, but rather to secure the bundle from swinging sideways. One can also use two strops around the bundle, each of them clipped to cleats on each side. Properly made, they can secure the stowed bundle in seconds.

    Cheers, Arne

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  • 31 May 2016 05:36
    Message # 4048068
    Deleted user

    So after speaking with Annie my girlfriend and I decided to join the JRA! Super excited. This is my first post but will make a better intro post in the general forum. 

    When we Purchased Our Thymallus Arcticus (30' Steel Benford pilothouse), all rigging was present but not necessarily done properly as the previous owners never sailed the boat. It took us a lot of learning (let me stress a lot) and we cursed junk rigs plenty, but we now feel super comfortable and don't think we will ever go back to the triangle. We still have many questions but we will start here and I will post photos when I have them. 

    Originally, the lazy jacks were comprised of 2 running parts. There were 2 running "halyards" with eyes that ran through sheeves at the masthead and then cleated off at deck. we finally departed from this arrangement when we couldn't run without guiding the sail around these lines. Now, I have static lines (3/16" amsteel) with an eye splice connected to the masthead. Through those eyes runs the lazy jack lines (3/16" nylon). They are comprised of 2 individual lines per side. On each side a line is laced under the aft of the boom ran up through eye splice from masthead line and then terminates in an eye splice forward. The second line then is laced under the boom at about midship, runs up through eye splice and then to base of the mast where it is cleated off on a peg. 

    Now that works all well and good until it is time to lift sail bundle out of the cradle. The 2 of us are required to hoist the sail up out of this cradle into position. This entails me deadlifting (atleast my back is still young) while Jen takes up the slack and finally cleats both sides off. In flat water this isn't a big deal; you can imagine trying to raise sail atop the pilot house in a sloppy sea.

    We read in the Practical Junk Rig that you can combine both of these running lines for hoisting into a 3-4 part tackle. I have been wrestling with how to do this for weeks but haven't come up with a good solution. 

    Any Ideas?



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