Throat parrel without HK parrels???

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  • 20 Sep 2015 08:28
    Reply # 3534441 on 3533950
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    Okay, at least for starters, I will try a combined throat-upper-luff parrel.  But how best to rig it?  Throat-batten two-batten three?  Or batten two-throat-batten three (as per Footprints)?

  • 20 Sep 2015 00:12
    Reply # 3534293 on 3533950

    Iain's sail is an Arne type, as is the sail I have on Arion.  I can confirm that pulling back the throat hauling parrel on this type of sail does remove all the creases.  On Arion I also have Hong Kong Parrels and Paul Fay style fixed luff parrels on the lower three battens.  I don't need the HK parrels to control the set of the sail, but find them useful to stabilize the sail when hoisting and lowering in a seaway.  I find, when there is a swell running, that there is too much surging otherwise in the lower, parallel panels of my Hasler/McLeod/Arne type of cambered sail, with its long spaces between battens at the luff.  Fanned sails have narrower spaces between battens at the luff, and perhaps have different handling characteristics (as well as patterns of creasing).  The Paul Fay parrels are used to induce automatic positive stagger to my parallel battens, which was a problem initially, but they also absorb most of the forward thrust on the battens underway.  The happy result of this belt and braces approach is that none of my parrels (or any other parts of the rig) seem to be heavily loaded, including the HK parrels.  Arion's sail has become a set and forget sail.  It does have a bit more friction than a sail with just a throat hauling parrel would have, but I am happy to pay that price.

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  • 19 Sep 2015 23:16
    Reply # 3534230 on 3533950
    With any luck, you simply have arrived at a sail that will set itself without.  I tried Hong Kong parrels, but hated the fact that they were bending the battens.  I originally had 2 LHPs, but then reduced to one.  It took a lot of tension to get it right, with to me, is against the ethos of junk rig.  I re-rigged it and it works with less effort now, but I always have a bit of a crease half way down the sail.  I'd rather live with it than have high loadings.  Like David, I cannot understand how tweaking the top of the sail affects the whole thing.
  • 19 Sep 2015 21:15
    Reply # 3534123 on 3533950
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    Iain Grigor wrote:

    I hoisted my sail today in flat calm conditions.  I had planned to rig HK parrels and a throat parrel to take the creases out of the 6% camber panels.  But first I rigged only a throat parrel.  This alone takes the creases our of the panels at once and with complete success, at least in the calm conditions prevailing.

    Would anyone care to comment?  Should this work in all wind conditions?  Is it good engineering?  Or is it bad engineering? 


    It would be great if it did work but I suspect you will find that when you get some real wind and mainsheet forces trying to push the battens forward that you will get creases developing. I find that with the more wind there is the more I need to haul on the luff hauling parrel to remove creases from my sail. I have a combined luff hauling/throat parrel that works on battens 2 & 3 (from the top) and the bottom of the yard. I have never yet figured out how the parrel working only on the top portion of the sail is effective over the whole sail - one of the mysteries of the junk rig!
  • 19 Sep 2015 18:41
    Reply # 3534034 on 3533950

    hi iain

    if it works without the hk parrels, it's fine. in terms of good or bad engineering hong kong parrels are an evil compromise – the battens don't like them…

    i hope to go away with yhp, (maybe fixed) lhp and tp when i do my conversion (next year?)

    utnik

  • 19 Sep 2015 17:01
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    I hoisted my sail today in flat calm conditions.  I had planned to rig HK parrels and a throat parrel to take the creases out of the 6% camber panels.  But first I rigged only a throat parrel.  This alone takes the creases our of the panels at once and with complete success, at least in the calm conditions prevailing.

    Would anyone care to comment?  Should this work in all wind conditions?  Is it good engineering?  Or is it bad engineering? 

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