Tystie's rig - the 2015 model

  • 21 Apr 2015 09:36
    Reply # 3310585 on 3302473
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Generally,
    if one wants to make hinges and already have round aluminium tubes for battens, I think the tube-in-tube version hinges is the easiest to make and operate, as they will bend the same amount in all directions. I also suggest that the hinge bit wraps on the outside of the batten instead of being stuck inside, since the outside version will tend to be stronger. Look up Newsletter 24 to see how I made mine (my first effort on writing something to JRA, actually).

    Arne

    PS:  Passepatu’s inside hinge (by Lex Hodgkinson) can be seen in Magazine 50, p.15 and I had a note about another outside version in Mag.54, p33 ( ..that note was never meant for the magazine...)

  • 21 Apr 2015 08:41
    Reply # 3310565 on 3302473
    Deleted user

    Interesting stuff David, I look forward to hearing about your further results.  I do see how you need to limit the amount of vertical articulation.  Although maybe the rule could be more like:  the amount of vertical articulation allowed must be kept significantly less than the amount of horizontal articulation??  Also, you need a catchier name.  Perhaps "Tyler's Limit", short for Tyler's rule on the limit of vertical articulation (also known as the axis of evil).  

  • 21 Apr 2015 01:43
    Reply # 3310182 on 3308674
    Mark Thomasson wrote:

    David,

    The single joint still seems to give a fair curve to the fabric between the battens, and so much more simple than multiple joints.  It will be interesting to hear if the performance is much worse, if anything. 

    Is there any concern that the oak cones are going to be strong enough?

    Best wishes

    Actually, the battens tend to push hard into the sail on starboard tack. Maybe there should be a slot in the sail at the hinge position.. The cross section of the hinges is similar to that of a PJR wooden batten, but made in a stronger wood than spruce, pine or fir. Also, the rectangular section has its major axis horizontal. I think they are more than strong enough - which is the way I want it to be.
  • 21 Apr 2015 01:40
    Reply # 3310181 on 3307020
    Darren Bos wrote:

    The sail looks great David.  Are the bolts shown in the batten joints photo temporary or were they left in place when the battens are mounted in the sail?  I can't see them in the photos with the battens mounted on the sail.  If they're left in place, do you need elongate holes in the battens to achieve the vertical articulation you mention?

    I only have a bolt on the top surface of the batten, so that those hinges where a vertical movement is allowed can move freely. As far as I can see, with the shape of hinge I have, the bolt takes very little load. The battens contact each other with a rolling action, as with yours.

    One thing I've learned, in a 2-reef breeze two days ago, is that the battens still tend to cling to the mast when the sail is loaded, as happened with the wingsail. This means that they try to find the easiest way of articulating again, which means that they try to turn through 90 degrees. This doesn't seem too harmful. But it does lead me to formulate "Tyler's Hypothesis" - A hinged batten ought to articulate equally in both the vertical and horizontal directions, so that it is not inclined to rotate about its axis. Clearly, round tubes with a conical hinge are a convenient way to achieve this, but I have rectangular section battens, as a leftover form the wingsail. I can, if there's a problem, relieve the hinges so as to permit 20 degrees of horizontsal and 10 degrees of vertical movement. But I'll watch and wait for the time being.

  • 20 Apr 2015 14:05
    Reply # 3308674 on 3302473

    David,

    The single joint still seems to give a fair curve to the fabric between the battens, and so much more simple than multiple joints.  It will be interesting to hear if the performance is much worse, if anything. 

    Is there any concern that the oak cones are going to be strong enough?

    Best wishes

  • 18 Apr 2015 20:41
    Reply # 3307020 on 3302473
    Deleted user

    The sail looks great David.  Are the bolts shown in the batten joints photo temporary or were they left in place when the battens are mounted in the sail?  I can't see them in the photos with the battens mounted on the sail.  If they're left in place, do you need elongate holes in the battens to achieve the vertical articulation you mention?

  • 18 Apr 2015 01:43
    Reply # 3306474 on 3302473

    The first few photos, taken in 5 knots of wind, are now here

  • 17 Apr 2015 23:03
    Reply # 3306374 on 3302473

    Well, the first couple of short sails, in 5 - 10 knots of wind, went well, and everything is working. I took some photos as I sailed, but then forgot to get them out of the camera and into the computer. Soon. 

    interestingly, because the yard is at a low angle, with the halyard in its centre and therefore pulling forward under full sail, and because I have short batten parrels that stop the sail going forward, I don't need to belay the YHP, and I don't need to touch the LHP either. Everything just sets well, just by hoisting until the tackline stops me. Helm balance is good, as it was for the wing sail. 

    The double sheets, upper and lower, are good too, as with 3:1 in each, rather than a single 6:1, they overhaul more readily, and in effect, you only have to haul in half the sail at a time. I think double sheets are a must for tall, narrow sails.

    one thought I've had is that if I tension the sail along the after battens, but give it some slack along the forward battens, I might get some camber in the forward section without having to do any more sailmaking.

    Yes, Darren, there's a strong wind warning - and at the moment, I'm sitting outside the Saturna pub ( for the free wifi) in about 5 knots of wind. Maybe later.

  • 16 Apr 2015 21:50
    Reply # 3304385 on 3302473
    Deleted user

    It's still calm on this side of the the Straight today, but the good news is that there is a strong wind warning for tomorrow :-)   Good luck David

  • 16 Apr 2015 07:47
    Reply # 3302904 on 3302473
    Deleted user

    Good luck for the trial. I guess satisfaction for being able to make ones own sail is compensating the lack of wind.


    Antoine (WaterBear)

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