Tystie's rig - the 2015 model

  • 06 Jun 2015 00:07
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    Ultimate tensile strength: 70 MBa

    Elongation:  100%

    Tensile Modulus: 2.6GPa (ability to withstand bending as I understand it)


    Now I have to look up the values of oak to compare. Unfortunately, they are quoted in psi rather than pascals.  (we weren't told there would be math on this test!).

    Let me get back to you

  • 05 Jun 2015 22:01
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    dennis gibbons wrote:

    I should have suggested polycarbonate rather than delrin


    Dennis, do you know the tensile strength of polycarbonate?

    Arne

  • 05 Jun 2015 16:04
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    I should have suggested polycarbonate rather than delrin

  • 05 Jun 2015 15:29
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    David,(or anybody else)

    Any thoughts abut using Delrin (or other plastic) for the hinge?

    It is lighter and stronger than wood but  can also be machined or turned on a lathe if one were to use round battens.

    Would it be too flexible ?


    Dennis

  • 30 May 2015 03:15
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    Hi Dennis,  

    Only building it and sea trials would show whether wear would be a problem, but there is a lot less rubbing than you would imagine.  As the hinge articulates there is no rubbing of the tube relative to the polyurethane hinge.  The central disc of the hinge rolls across the batten without sliding.  Similarly there is very little movement of the figure eight hinge and with the tenacity of dyneema I suspect it would be longlived.  Materials also play a role here and the polyurtehane is remarkably tough stuff.   Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of a full refit on the boat, so someone else will have to try it, or you'll have to be very patient and find my results.  Although, I suppose I could turn it into a flopping wind vane and see how it fairs with daily wear.

  • 29 May 2015 22:34
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    You both make sense (as usual).

    Good, one less complication.


    Dennis

  • 29 May 2015 19:12
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    That's correct. All hinged battens articulate to a fixed angle, as chosen by the designer, and all my experiments in building in a variable angle of articulation have come to nought. It can't be done, and it's not necessary.

  • 29 May 2015 19:07
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    Dennis,

    that was not my experience with hinged battens in Malena’s sail, in 1991. The hinges generally flicked from tack to tack to max angle, even in light winds, and this gave phenomenal performance. Check NL24, p.22.

    Arne

     

  • 29 May 2015 17:36
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    Another thought,

    One of the problems with hinged battens is that they bend more in high wind (when you want a flatter camber) and less in light winds (when you want more camber).

    Rather than a fixed sheeting point on the port side of the stern rail (pushpit), how about a traveler mounted there so the sheeting point (and thus camber) could be varied with wind speed and angle?

  • 29 May 2015 14:39
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    Darren,

    while your design has the necessary articulation, I worry about wear.  Every tack, jib or sail trim will have metal rubbing line or plastic.


    My thoughts are a more direct steal from David. Double tapered cones with two bolts like his, but the bolt holes elliptical rather than round.  Horizontally they would bend just like David's while the elliptical holes and taper would allow limited vertical articulation.  No lines, no plastic.

    Regarding wear of the wooden plug, I await a report from David on his experience.


    Dennis

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