Converting Blondie to Junk Rig

  • 28 Apr 2015 16:46
    Reply # 3320226 on 3281367

    We can, though, state some general theoretical principles:

    1. It's impossible to make a small boat too stiff. The smaller the boat, the lower the ballast needs to be. 
    2. The ballast ought to be concentrated centrally in the fore and aft direction, to reduce the moment of inertia and the tendency to 'hobbyhorse'.
    3. The ballast can be spread athwartships a little, to increase the moment of inertia in this direction, and increase the roll period. 

  • 28 Apr 2015 16:39
    Reply # 3320211 on 3281367

    Arne should know all about using stones as ballast. The Norsemen did so aboard their longships. I believe the idea was that they rolled out in the event of capsize.

    Last modified: 28 Apr 2015 16:43 | Anonymous member
  • 28 Apr 2015 15:16
    Reply # 3320131 on 3319668
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Robert Prince wrote:

    Rocks

    My question is whether the stones placed in the quarter berths - close to the maximum beam of the boat need to be replaced in this position with a similar weight of  lead? Could placing all the lead in the bilge make the boat too stiff? 

    Any suggestions would be welcome

     

    How could we, the keyboard captains know the answer on this? The only sensible answer is to launch and test-sail Blondie, and then let her tell you if and where she needs ballast.

    Good luck!

    Arne


     

  • 28 Apr 2015 04:56
    Reply # 3319668 on 3281367

    Rocks

    Whilst Blondie is out of the water we decided to take out all the magnificent river stones that formed the internal ballast. They might be traditional but loose stones don't seem too seaworthy. Although the stones looked numerous they weighed remarkably little and now take pride of place in our garden. The distribution of the stones was around the stern of the boat as follows: Lazarette 12.3 kg; Port Quarter berth 24.2 kg; Starboard Quarter berth 38.9 kg and in the bilge around the companionway area 73.5 kg. A total of 148.9 kg. Maybe they were placed there after the inboard engine was removed?

    In a way the ability to remove the stones and replace them with bolted down lead may be an advantage to trim the vessel after the conversion to JR - change of mast position etc. 

    My question is whether the stones placed in the quarter berths - close to the maximum beam of the boat need to be replaced in this position with a similar weight of  lead? Could placing all the lead in the bilge make the boat too stiff? 

    Any suggestions would be welcome

  • 17 Apr 2015 00:09
    Reply # 3304495 on 3281367

    Arne,

    Thank you for your comments. 

    Now that I have the sail plan and position of the mast determined it is time to work on the boat. She comes out the water today and while the weather is still good I plan to get the new mast stepped and tidy up all sorts of things aboard. I've allowed a month, we will see how we go.

    Rob

  • 14 Apr 2015 11:35
    Reply # 3297719 on 3281367
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Robert, yes, you are quite right, I picked the round for 8% camber from AR=2.0; my mistake. Somehow I didn't error on the 6% camber.

    As you will see, there is not that big difference. The difference in round is much bigger if you jump from 8% camber (R=15.3cm) to 10% (R=21.7cm).

    If you want to ensure that the camber does not come out with less than 8% in the lower panels of the finished sail, even if you stretch the sail along the battens (like I have done on my Frøken Sørensen), you can interpolate and choose a round mid-between those needed for 8 and 10% camber, and use R=18,5 cm.

    Good luck!

    Arne

    Last modified: 14 Apr 2015 14:42 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 13 Apr 2015 00:36
    Reply # 3295636 on 3281367

    Arne,

    Oops, I certainly got the 35cm wrong. I read the 35% not the 15.3 cm that it should, off my drawing. I'm very grateful to you for checking this. However, I think the round should be 15.3cm based on an AR=2.05, not 15.6 cm which I think is for an AR=2.00?

    My revised figures are:

    Panels 4-7 Round 15.3cm

    Panel 3 Round 9.3cm

    Panel 2 Round 7.7cm

    Panel 1 Round 3.8cm

    Thanks again.

    Rob


  • 12 Apr 2015 10:22
    Reply # 3295098 on 3281367
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Robert,
    I just looked over the numbers you show us of your planned sail: The height and sail area are OK, but your found round (35cm!) of the lower panels is way too big.

    Now I checked that table of the master sails in Chapter 4. With a planned camber of 8% the master sails lower panels need to be cut with a round of 21.4cm (on both upper and lower side of the panels).

    Since your sail has been crimped to a factor

    Fl=3710mm/5077mm=0.7307,

    the round must also be crimped to

    R= Master sail’s R x Fl =21.4cm x 0.7307= 15.6cm

    The round of Panel 1 (from top) should then be around 3.9cm (1/4 of R) and
    the round of panel 2 should be around 7.8cm (2/4 of R).

    The round of panel 3 should be 9.3cm to give around 6% camber (just as you found).

    Arne

    PS: Note that the resulting camber depends a bit on how much you stretch the sail along the battens. With the sail quite slack, the camber will come out very close to the numbers in the table in Fig 4.5 of Chapter 4. If you stretch the sail to minimise wrinkles along the battens, the camber may drop from the planned 8%, down to 7%. Not a big deal.

    Last modified: 12 Apr 2015 10:27 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 12 Apr 2015 02:20
    Reply # 3294941 on 3281367

    Following on from the positive comments I have received on the draft sail plan I have now completed the detailed sail plan using Arne's Chapter 4. This was a very straight forward exercise thanks to all the short cuts that Arne has built into his analysis and described so well in the chapter.

    Blondie's main sail details will be: area 22.1 sqm; boom 3.71 metres; h 7.49metres and AR 2.05.

    I have settled on a camber of 8% for the bottom 4 panels with each having a round of 35cm. The next panel up (or panel 3) up will have 6% camber with a round of 9.3cm. Panel 2 will have a round of 7.5cm and panel 1 a round of 3.7cm.

    Any comments would be greatly appreciated. 

  • 08 Apr 2015 06:00
    Reply # 3286121 on 3281367

    Zane,

    Thank you for your input, you make some very good points.

    It was good to meet you over Easter and welcome to the junk rig community.

    Pleased that you are now safely in Gulf Harbour and ready for more sea trials.

    Regards

    Rob

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