Pearson Vanguard

  • 16 Mar 2015 22:20
    Reply # 3254488 on 3244584
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I am not so sure, but look at the profiles of the Knarr and the Folboat below:

    Knarr:

    http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=160

    Nordic Folboat:

    http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3299

    I have sailed quite a lot in both these boat types. As you can see, the rudder is bigger and fitted aft of the waterline on the Folkboat. The FB obeys the rudder very well and gives precise steering. The Knarr, on the other hand, had quite sloppy steering and was not so willing to bear away (fall off) unless we eased the main sheet. In addition, with a quartering sea, even moderate, it became hard to hold her on something near a straight course.

    If you have another look at the Vanguard 33, you will see that its underwater profile looks closer to the Knarr than the FB:

    Vanguard 33:

    SailboatData.com

    That was my reason for me being a bit sceptical to fitting a sloop JR to her.

    Arne

     

  • 14 Mar 2015 23:54
    Reply # 3252555 on 3246921
    William Elliott wrote:

    With all this I think I'll leave the rigging as is for now. I was hopping it would be a simple matter of moving the mast forward building partners and a step etc. In the future I will definitely have or refit a JR boat.


    Hi William

    I think Arne was suggesting the alterations knowing that you were out of the water.  I'm sure that if you put JR on the existing boat, she would be generally satisfactory and if you found an issue with weather helm, it would simply mean that you would have to reef a bit sooner than you might otherwise choose.  After all, most people don't change the rudders on the boats that they have and seem very pleased with their conversions.

  • 11 Mar 2015 04:17
    Reply # 3246921 on 3244584
    Deleted user

    Mr. Kverneland,

    Thanks so much for your reply and information. I have read about the center of pressure of the sails and the have read and felt the weather helm. I have also heard in the past about the near inadequate rudder. I have rebuilt and faired a new rudder and it was mentioned that I should make it longer but only rebuilt it. 

    With all this I think I'll leave the rigging as is for now. I was hopping it would be a simple matter of moving the mast forward building partners and a step etc. In the future I will definitely have or refit a JR boat.

    Again, thanks so much for the reply,


    s


  • 08 Mar 2015 11:29
    Reply # 3244684 on 3244584
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    William,

    I found the Vanguard 33 on SailboatData.com. She surely has some fine lines. The simplest place to install the mainmast is just in front of the trunk cabin. Here the deck is strong and all you need is a 2 x 2’ plywood backing plate where you are bolting on the (steel) mast partners.

    I have one little concern: The integral keel-rudder is fairly short. The rudder, having been tucked quite far forward, may thus have only moderate steering efficiency. I fear that when reaching with a big, broad sloop JR, she may soon run out of rudder. Now, building a second spade-rudder, further aft, would correct this, but would be quite a job. An alternative is to rig her as a JR yawl, that is, with a little mizzen way aft. This mizzen needs only be small, so a triangular sail with a sprit boom would be fine. The biggest advantage with the yawl is that one may offload the rudder by just easing the sheet of the mizzen. A second bonus is that the boat will sit beautifully at anchor with the mizzen set as a riding sail.

    I have written some thoughts on this in Chapter 3 (and 4) of “The Cambered Panel Junk Rig”, found here. Maybe you find some of that useful.

    Anyway, good luck!
    Arne

     

    Last modified: 12 Mar 2015 11:20 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 08 Mar 2015 03:15
    Reply # 3244589 on 3244584
    Deleted user

    after Ms. Hills reply I'll narrow it down a little. I need to get a mast idea so I can complete the refit round it.


    Thanks

  • 08 Mar 2015 02:33
    Message # 3244584
    Deleted user

    Hope this finds all well.

    I have a short amount of time so I'll be brief.

    I have purchased a 65 Pearson Vanguard 33 and currently have her out at a boat yard. We started with bottom paint and now I'm completely refitting her. I have the inside almost completely out and some of the outside prepped for paint (waiting on weather). I am doing all the inside and outside prep on my every other week off so I'm in need of advice, almost turn key instructions if you will. My wife was helping today and said why aren't you replacing the mast and going with a junk rig... duh. But I don't have a lot of time to sort things out. 

    Anyone with ideas where to go or whom to consult or hire on changing to a junk rig. I need to get the mast or mast location down now as the interior will be bare by the end of the day tomorrow.


    Thanks in advance,

    William Elliott

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