Reefing a JR Schooner upwind

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  • 11 Sep 2013 15:18
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    Ok, thanks to all of you!  I had an intuition that was the most likely way to go, but it helps to know that most others do it that way as well.
  • 11 Sep 2013 07:07
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    When I sailed a schooner, it was very much as JDS suggested.  If we just wanted to reduce sail by a small amount, we took a reef in the foresail; otherwise we took a reef in each sail.  Logically, when going to windward, the foresail is the place to start as the mainsail is the one that pushes the bows up into the wind.  Or at least that's how my mind sees is.
  • 10 Sep 2013 21:53
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    Daniel Collins wrote:What is the usual reefing order when going to weather with a JR schooner rig?  I'm a little curious as to whether one reefs the main or fore first for best performance, and how subsequent reefs typically go.  Assuming a well-balanced boat so no weird behaviors need to be accounted for, what do most of you do and in what order, from first reef all the way to full reef on both sails?

    I'm trying to figure out what works best but there are quite a few combinations and it would be nice to learn from others who have done it before I wear myself out trying all the possibilities!  On my recent 1000 NM voyage I was barely learning to go upwind at all so I'm still working out the best ways to do this.  

    Thanks much,

     -- D
    Hi D. Assuming you have 6 panels in each sail that's 6x6=36 plus one for sails fully down = 37 combinations. You'll probably never use them all. My previous boat was the same model as Lexia, ie a Sunbird 32 schooner junk. As far as I recall we adopted the same 'suck it and see' approach as Jonathan for upwind sailing, though in light winds and choppy seas eg in the Med we would often (have to) drop the foresail and turn on the engine. In stronger winds the foresail would lose a panel before the main lost one.

    Haven't sailed our Freedom 39 schooner conversion enough yet to be able to say if the routine will be the same, but I guess it will, and that it will match the recommended reefing strategy for its Freedom rig which was as per the Sunbird, ie reef the foresail first

    We haven't changed the sails' fore and aft centres of effort much - there is an extra panel on the main though, so more area there - and the rudder is unchanged. But we 'only' had 3 x 3 + 1 = 10 reef combinations then, and she was difficult to reef. The limited experience we've had with the new rig has confirmed again just how much easier, safer, more reliable and forgiving a junk rig is.

    (Full reef on both sails =  turn on the engine, lie a-hull :-)
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  • 10 Sep 2013 09:19
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    Daniel,

    You will probably get some much more authorative answers than mine!  However, this from the Snodgrass 'Muddle Through' school of sailing as practised on Lexia:  decide whether you are going to take out big bites of sail or little bites; start on the foresail and take same sized bites out alternatively from the foresail then the mainsail.  Lexia seems to balance to windward with a somewhat smaller foresail than mainsail, so I don't feel that I must always take the same equivalent reef out of the mainsail when reefing the foresail. 

    Jonathan

  • 09 Sep 2013 23:11
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    What is the usual reefing order when going to weather with a JR schooner rig?  I'm a little curious as to whether one reefs the main or fore first for best performance, and how subsequent reefs typically go.  Assuming a well-balanced boat so no weird behaviors need to be accounted for, what do most of you do and in what order, from first reef all the way to full reef on both sails?

    I'm trying to figure out what works best but there are quite a few combinations and it would be nice to learn from others who have done it before I wear myself out trying all the possibilities!  On my recent 1000 NM voyage I was barely learning to go upwind at all so I'm still working out the best ways to do this.  

    Thanks much,

     -- D
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