Spruce vs. ash battens

  • 29 Jan 2013 04:00
    Reply # 1192022 on 1187828
    Arne Kverneland wrote:

                                                                    Stavanger, Thursday

    I have found that using 2-pot polyurethane paint or clear varnish directly onto wood works fine and it lasts many times as long as ordinary one-pot stuff.

    I've always been a great fan of 2-pot polyurethane varnish, but have now come across something even better: Uroxys marine clear finish.  This actually is a two-part system, but the first part consists of a primer and the second of the clear gloss finish  (www.uroxys.co.nz).  The product is a polyurethane, but is much easier to use than the usual two-pot type.  You prepare the wood and then prime it.  Either put the clear finish on the next day, or leave it until you have time and put it on after lightly sanding.  As soon as it is touch dry, you can put on another coat - and another.  The receommended number is between 6 and 8 coats and the varnish is said to last for 7 years.  I know of one boat, entirely bright finished, that is now into her third year in Fiji and still, apparently, looks as good as new.  I've found the product easier to apply than conventional varnish, much less likely to form curtains and, because it's so quick drying, less likely to get contaminated by dust, hairs, etc.  It is 'gin clear', so that you can paint right up to the coloured paint line without having to mask - a great advantage, because it means that the border is sealed. Uroxys is very flexible, so it should be able to take the odd knock, although it's perhaps more susceptible to chafe than conventional polyurethane.

  • 24 Jan 2013 16:21
    Reply # 1187828 on 1186654
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

                                                                    Stavanger, Thursday

    I have found that using 2-pot polyurethane paint or clear varnish directly onto wood works fine and it lasts many times as long as ordinary one-pot stuff. I have used it on Johanna’s tiller, on the bamboo stick at the end of her yard (with a telltale at its end) and it holds at least for 3 years. I also used it on new plywood and on the mast and yard of Broremann’s rig, as shown on this write-up. Two-pot varnish isn’t cheap, but thanks to its long potlife, one may make use of it to the last drop. For small jobs, I use plastic table spoons and even teaspoons to measure up resin and hardener.

    The two-pot stuff not only seems to handle sunlight better, but also resists shafe very well.

    Cheers, Arne

  • 24 Jan 2013 14:50
    Reply # 1187755 on 1186654
    Deleted user
    I used aluminum conduit for the battens of Easy Go for the durability. I would also use spruce with an epoxy coating or preferably glass cloth with epoxy. A little extra weight but the abrasion resistance would be far superior to plain wood.

    I'm thinking along the lines of long distance cruising, but as you are building for inshore races the untreated spruce would work well and if you break one you can easily replace it. 
  • 23 Jan 2013 19:53
    Reply # 1187114 on 1186654
    Thierry Msika wrote:
    Are there any good reasons not to use spruce for battens?

    Cheers
    Just the softness, I think. Any dings will damage the surface coating and let the water in, which will increase the weight (just a little) and may lead to rot. Sitka spruce was used for masts for a great many years, and as long as you kept the rot out, it was fine. But a good coating of epoxy should give battens made of any timber a long life, and I'd always prefer the timber with the highest strength and stiffness to weight ratios. 
  • 23 Jan 2013 11:07
    Message # 1186654
    Deleted user
    Sorry about posting the following twice (on the yahoo group too #19799). I had a great answer from Arne but I am hoping to get an opinion from people who use wooden battens.

    Finding here the right aluminum tubing for the battens is difficult and expensive here: not the right grade, the right dimensions and the right standard length.

    Spruce is cheap and easy to find clear and dry (and is sustainable).

    PJR (Practical Junk Rig) recommends using ash. Ash is fairly easy to find and not too expensive. Both are easy to glue to any dimension.

    But after a search I found out that ash is 20% heavier than spruce but only 14% stiffer.

    Density for ash is .54, for spruce .45 (2.7 for alu).
    Elasticity modulus for ash is 12GPa, for spruce 10.5GPa (69GPa for alu).

    I tried to compare the weight of ash, spruce and aluminum batten for the same stiffness and found the following

    a round 4 m batten in

    - Al 38 x 2mm (OD x wall thickness) would weighs 2.4kg
    - ash 45mm would weigh 3.4kg
    - spruce 47mm would weigh 3.1kg.

    Are there any good reasons not to use spruce for battens?

    Cheers
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