Mast Database

  • 17 Jun 2013 20:26
    Reply # 1320333 on 1174238
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    Just to confirm that Annie is on it.
  • 16 Jun 2013 12:13
    Reply # 1319461 on 1174238
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    Helpful offer, Annie, thanks. Will send link  later from laptop rather than from iPad. 

    The database will be made a feature of the site as soon as we're happy with it, ie after your heditorial pass.. It will already be a little out of date as additional mast data may have been added since Mark and Daniel created it. Er, could you check for that too?

    Update: file now sent to Annie. Others please join the queue :-)
    Last modified: 16 Jun 2013 15:35 | Deleted user
  • 15 Jun 2013 07:52
    Reply # 1318617 on 1174238
    Mark, fresh from proof-reading the magazine, I've noticed one or two minor errors in the Mast Database.  I'd be very happy to run through it and tidy it up, if you'd like that.

    I assume that there is no direct link to it from the Members' page, as yet, because it is still a work in progress?
  • 14 Jun 2013 11:32
    Reply # 1318012 on 1317595
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    Mark Thomasson wrote:I have just had a thought-
      
    The important factor is not sail area, but the righting moment from the hull and ballast. Sail area could be considered almost irrelevant as the sail pressure varies with wind force.

     
    As the righting moment is not something readily known, the displacement / beam / keel depth type will give a very good picture.

    That said, some of the more savvy members have got their head around hull righting moments and mast breaking stress, so perhaps these too could be added.
    The problem is trying to keep the tables reasonably small, if there is too much information it becomes more difficult to scan through.  Adjusting how it is set out helps.



    Mark, have you had a look at the latest version? If you can think of any other layout changes, feel free to make them. As you know but new members might not, this is a collaborative project and the value of the database is only as good as the quality and amount of data on individual masts in it. If members would like to add their boat's data, please let me know.
    Last modified: 14 Jun 2013 11:32 | Deleted user
  • 13 Jun 2013 21:16
    Reply # 1317595 on 1174238
    I have just had a thought-
      
    The important factor is not sail area, but the righting moment from the hull and ballast. Sail area could be considered almost irrelevant as the sail pressure varies with wind force.

     
    As the righting moment is not something readily known, the displacement / beam / keel depth type will give a very good picture.

    That said, some of the more savvy members have got their head around hull righting moments and mast breaking stress, so perhaps these too could be added.
    The problem is trying to keep the tables reasonably small, if there is too much information it becomes more difficult to scan through.  Adjusting how it is set out helps.



    Last modified: 13 Jun 2013 21:18 | Anonymous member
  • 10 Jun 2013 23:47
    Reply # 1314041 on 1174238
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    As promised above, here's the link to the latest (June 6th) version of the Mast Database by Mark Thomasson and Daniel Collins. It's a Google Drive/Docs spreadsheet file. Any Googler should be able to access it, but to edit/extend it you'll need 'permission', so please drop me a line or say so here. Daniel has taken onboard most suggestions and says:

    "1.  I added separate columns for Main Sail Area, Foremast Sail Area, and Mizzen Sail Area.  Each of these should be just a number (in square metres, as noted at the heading).  Then I added a column "Total Sail Area" which is automatically summed from those.  People can sort by any of those now, search or exclude by range, and this will help filter and compare.  For convenience, I moved everybody's numbers from the original column into the proper column here as best as I could determine.  I made explicit notes in the owner's comments field where I needed to slightly deviate (only for the two side-by-side cats).
    2.  I added a column for Main and Foremast Topmast Info.  I did not automatically populate these.
    3.  I froze the header row so as you scroll the legend stays visible.
    4.  Added a column for Mainmast (and Foremast) Wall Thickness (if appropriate).  I only populated my and Annie's columns as I saw only data for ours in the comments.
    I hope these changes help."

    Many thanks for your work Daniel. Members who formerly had access will need to ask for it again.

    David, Lynda - perhaps we can include this in Magazine 63?


    Last modified: 10 Jun 2013 23:57 | Deleted user
  • 10 Jun 2013 20:37
    Reply # 1313884 on 1174238
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    Oscar, thanks for those links. The latest version of the database has just been made available to me by Daniel Collins as a Google Doc on my personal account. I'll upload Daniel's latest file later this evening and would suggest members request access to it via me rather than all pile in. We've got to control this somehow.
    Last modified: 10 Jun 2013 23:54 | Deleted user
  • 10 Jun 2013 17:41
    Reply # 1313723 on 1174238
    Here is the mast database in Google Docs format (viewable to anyone):
    [removed outdated link]

    And here it is in OpenOffice/LibreOffice format:
    [removed outdated link]
    Last modified: 11 Jun 2013 08:10 | Anonymous member
  • 25 Apr 2013 07:46
    Reply # 1278185 on 1174238
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    Annie

    when I looked through the sheet I think your entry was the only one containing information about wall thickness. I realise that the information reflects only what members have entered in their profile, but a separate entry might encourage more members to enter this information, which is as you say a fairly important element for mast design. Guidance can of course be found elsewhere, but there is some evidence that masts are often being 'over-engineered' by following the guidelines given, especially for boats which will never venture far offshore. A simple way of finding out what has worked for other members would be very helpful.

    Chris
  • 25 Apr 2013 01:36
    Reply # 1277962 on 1174238
    I was just looking at my own profile entry and I see that it's really lacking in the information people might need for working out about the dimensions of my topmast.  It also doesn't ask for the wall thickness of the alloy.  I put this at the bottom which is for comments about the mast in service.  Not really the appropriate place.  I think a bit of redesigning would be a good idea to ensure that the wall thickness gets mentioned and to allow of a description of the topmast.  To get the correct answers, we need to ask the correct questions.
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